Cole Hocker would've have won the 2012 Olympic 1500m.

I seriously doubt Hocker was able to run 3:33 at age 10.

Different spikes so apples to oranges.

Commander wrote:

Different spikes so apples to oranges.

+1

Wightman closed better than Hocker in that semifinal, so Wightman is winner.

But speaking seriously you can't just take and compare 2 races by last 400 meters. It's completely different shoes, track, weather, wind, emotions in final and semifinal, fighting for position.

Plus Hocker needs to be in lead position to win with this split, but to be in lead position you need to spend more energy that to be in middle of the pack

Beamish would have beat Hocker in that same race.

Hocker's kick is overrated.

different spikes, different times etc.... everybody could have done everything some in the past... but they did not.

bestkickindaworld wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ&t=396s

Mak Daddy last lap was 52.7 to run 3:34.08.

https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/olympic-games/the-xxxii-olympic-games-athletics-7132391/results/men/1500-metres/semi-final/result

According to the splits above, Hocker closed his last 400m in 52.8 to run 3:33.87.

Put Hocker in the 2012 Olympic 1500m final and he wins.

Hocker's kick is NOT overrated. He can win a lot of championship style races with it.

It is not that your facts are incorrect, you selectively used facts to satisfy your biases. You made a conclusion based on partial facts.

* The pace starting increasing significantly with 500m to go. Based on Hocker's race history, Hocker would not have matched leaders' pace 1000m to 1150m.

* Taoufik Makhloufi & Silas Kiplagat raced 12.xx 100m from 1200m to 1300m. Doubtful Hocker would have gone with those gents.

*T. Makhloufi from 1300m to 1400m raced 12.xx 100m. That was when the race was won.

* T.M. did race 13.xx 100m from 1400m to 1500m but no one was near him. T.M. did not need to risk tying up

attempting to race 12.xx 100m from 1400m to 1500m.

Hocker, not a 1:44.xx man like Matt Centrowitz and L. Manzano would not have even earned a medal.

600yd/600m man wrote:

bestkickindaworld wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ&t=396s

Mak Daddy last lap was 52.7 to run 3:34.08.

https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/olympic-games/the-xxxii-olympic-games-athletics-7132391/results/men/1500-metres/semi-final/result

According to the splits above, Hocker closed his last 400m in 52.8 to run 3:33.87.

Put Hocker in the 2012 Olympic 1500m final and he wins.

Hocker's kick is NOT overrated. He can win a lot of championship style races with it.

It is not that your facts are incorrect, you selectively used facts to satisfy your biases. You made a conclusion based on partial facts.

* The pace starting increasing significantly with 500m to go. Based on Hocker's race history, Hocker would not have matched leaders' pace 1000m to 1150m.

.

Looking at Hocker’s race history, his best close was a 1:48.8 (56.6/52.2)to run 3:35.3 at NCAA’s.. So you’re wrong, he would’ve matched the leaders moves.

race2win wrote:

600yd/600m man wrote:

It is not that your facts are incorrect, you selectively used facts to satisfy your biases. You made a conclusion based on partial facts.

* The pace starting increasing significantly with 500m to go. Based on Hocker's race history, Hocker would not have matched leaders' pace 1000m to 1150m.

.

Looking at Hocker’s race history, his best close was a 1:48.8 (56.6/52.2)to run 3:35.3 at NCAA’s.. So you’re wrong, he would’ve matched the leaders moves.

But Jakob would have turned up and showed him up for the joker he is.

race2win wrote:

600yd/600m man wrote:

It is not that your facts are incorrect, you selectively used facts to satisfy your biases. You made a conclusion based on partial facts.

* The pace starting increasing significantly with 500m to go. Based on Hocker's race history, Hocker would not have matched leaders' pace 1000m to 1150m.

.

Looking at Hocker’s race history, his best close was a 1:48.8 (56.6/52.2)to run 3:35.3 at NCAA’s.. So you’re wrong, he would’ve matched the leaders moves.

Your example is of a 1500m race in which C. Hocker split 700m slower than T.M. split 700m, 2012 Olympic 1500m final. A lot of discussion on this site regarding C. Hocker running a fast last 100m and/or a fast last 400m. Often, international 1500m races are won sprinting 1200m to 1400m, sub-26. It'll be spring & summer soon enough. We'll see, but 2021 C. Hocker would not have earned a 🏅 medal against the field, 2012 Olympic 1500m final.

As far as I know, the best kickers:

- Said Aouita (1:43:86 in 800m)

- Sebastian Coe

- Cheruiyot

- Asbel Kiprop (1:43:15 in 800m)

- Noah Ngeny (1000m WR)

anything else needs to be proved.

I hardly see in Cole Hocker the shape of a good 800m runner.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Beamish would have beat Hocker in that same race.

Hocker's kick is overrated.

Ageed. Did you see the 3000m at Millrose? He kicked all he could but didnt gain ground on anyone. I think Beamish would have beat hom handily. Hope they both show up to Diamon League meets so we can see Beamish outkick Hocker for the 4th/5th meet after meet.

Passant wrote:

As far as I know, the best kickers:

- Said Aouita (1:43:86 in 800m)

- Sebastian Coe

- Cheruiyot

- Asbel Kiprop (1:43:15 in 800m)

- Noah Ngeny (1000m WR)

anything else needs to be proved.

I hardly see in Cole Hocker the shape of a good 800m runner.

1:46 800m at 19 without focusing on the event

What's your point Doctor Who? He wasn't even there.

He would have won Millrose if Teare didn't push him to lane 15. He wins if Teare runs it straight up and Beamish is boxed out for third.

He barely beat a past prime Centro last year. No way he beats doped Makhloufi dropping 12's. Makhloufi having like 142 800m speed or whatever.

Brilliant reply! lol

How old was he then? That's a big ask for a little kid.

So we're re-running the race with with everyone healthy and in good fitness and Hocker in it?

In that case:

Asbel Kiprop easily wins (don't forget he was in this race)

1:42 man Makdaddy 2nd.

Kerr 3rd (If you're adding Hocker I'll add Kerr)