When a WR is not a WR??? - Looks like Crouser's mark was not a WR

Yes, the "WR" throw was definitely not over the yellow line. I saw it in person and both me and the person I was with could swear it was not 76 feet, at least if the 60 and 70 ft markers are correct. Over 70 feet yes but maybe 73, 74 at best.

Everyone looks to be still arguing about this mark.

https://ibb.co/F7fdSdq

What's this TWO FUps in two weeks?

These field events have got to quit measuring sh!t with their Strava ;-)

Shot put marks ALL removed by Millrose Games results. Looks like they might pretend like it never happened?

This is totally unbelievable and unacceptable.

The track and field world and national TV audience thought Ryan Crouser threw a world record of 23.38 on his 2nd throw today at Millrose. The competition continued on and the announcers, the results, everything showed Crouser with a world record of 23.38.

Turns out there was an error in the measuring system and it was not a world record. Crouser said afterwards he knew right away. (It was closer to a 22.50 throw he said).

Why the national TV audience, or the results system was not relayed this info, we do not yet know. World Athletics even wrote an article talking about Crouser's World Record in the shot.

Our interview with Crouser will be here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW-5g4_teLE

wejo wrote:

This is totally unbelievable and unacceptable.

The track and field world and national TV audience thought Ryan Crouser threw a world record of 23.38 on his 2nd throw today at Millrose. The competition continued on and the announcers, the results, everything showed Crouser with a world record of 23.38.

Turns out there was an error in the measuring system and it was not a world record. Crouser said afterwards he knew right away. (It was closer to a 22.50 throw he said).

Why the national TV audience, or the results system was not relayed this info, we do not yet know. World Athletics even wrote an article talking about Crouser's World Record in the shot.

Our interview with Crouser will be here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW-5g4_teLE

I watched the attempt live and noticed this right away. They had a clear yellow line marking the WR and the shot fell well short of it. Like half way between the 70 ft marker and the WR line.

Nobody cheered when the throw was made, also Crouser didn't seem excited at all. Stadium announcer announced the mark in feet a few seconds later, I kept thinking I must be converting wrong b/c it didn't make sense, then the mark in meters showed up on the jumbotron and nobody cheered like you would for a WR. It was only when the announcer said "it's a world record!" like 60 seconds of silence later, that everyone in the stadium started cheering.

Both me and the person I was with were sure it was short of the mark, I posted in a few threads here. But the mark just stood the whole rest of the meet, and the stadium announcer never even said "the shot put is under review" or something like that. I imagine 80%+ people at the meet left thinking they witnessed a WR. What a joke

If only there was a backup way to measure this. Does anyone know another way to measure other than laser?

habs wrote:

Nobody cheered when the throw was made, also Crouser didn't seem excited at all.

Just to clarify there was a little bit of cheering you get from a good throw, but nothing like a "world record" cheering. I was suprised that everyone started cheering when the stadium announcer said "all-conditions world record" a minute later -- but I guess most people weren't actively watching the shot, or maybe assumed the markers must be wrong.

The craziest part of all this IMO is they never did a stadium announcement saying the SP was at least under review, or the event was being annulled, etc. during the whole meet. The online results weren't even updated until long after the last event finished and everyone left. That is such a disservice to the fans who came to watch.

Same kind of thing happened at the track meet at Texas Tech. Ruth uroso ? Had a 46' triple jump at press time but it was later reduced to 44'

wejo wrote:

This is totally unbelievable and unacceptable.

The track and field world and national TV audience thought Ryan Crouser threw a world record of 23.38 on his 2nd throw today at Millrose. The competition continued on and the announcers, the results, everything showed Crouser with a world record of 23.38.

Turns out there was an error in the measuring system and it was not a world record. Crouser said afterwards he knew right away. (It was closer to a 22.50 throw he said).

Why the national TV audience, or the results system was not relayed this info, we do not yet know. World Athletics even wrote an article talking about Crouser's World Record in the shot.

Our interview with Crouser will be here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW-5g4_teLE

I spent an hour texting my friends that Crouser was now undoubtedly the greatest T&F athlete of all time, better at his event than anybody has ever been at theirs. This may still be true, but it’s embarrassing.

I also remember the same thing happening with the discus throw at a meet at Franklin Field a few years back, where Sam Mattis threw an American born collegiate record but it was highly suspected the lasers were also miscalibrated. Not sure if that one was even corrected to this day.

But to mess up on a WR like this and not even put out a statement fessing up to it, unbelievable.

I also saw that World Athletics even put up a graphic on their Twitter announcing the WR, looks like it was deleted. Apparently they put out an article too, and so many T&F journos I follow amplified it. Shows that much more caution is needed with these electronic measurement systems going forward.

Sorry about that, Wise Old Man! I heard the meet measurer's name was Antony Fowchi. You must be careful and wait a second before you just go willy nilly with what some people say! Ha - just kidding with you. :)

Crouser a close second or third:

23.37 | 76-8¼ Ryan Crouser (US) 6/18/21

23.30 | 76-5½ ————Crouser 8/05/21

23.15 | 75-11½ ————Crouser 8/21/21

23.06 | 75-8 Ulf Timmermann (East Germany) 5/22/88

23.01 | 75-6 ————Crouser 5/22/21

22.95 | 75-3½ ————Crouser ! 8/21/21

22.93 | 75-2¾ ————Crouser ! 8/05/21

22.92 | 75-2½ ————Crouser 6/18/21

22.91 | 75-2 Alessandro Andrei (Italy) 8/12/87

22.91 | 75-2 Joe Kovacs (US) 10/05/19

22.91 | 75-2 ————Crouser 7/18/20

6.18 | 20-3¼i Mondo Duplantis (Sweden) 2/15/20

6.17 | 20-2¾i ————Duplantis 2/08/20

6.16 | 20-2½i Renaud Lavillenie (France) 2/15/14

6.15 | 20-2i Sergey Bubka (Ukraine) 2/21/93

6.15 | 20-2 ————Duplantis 9/17/20

6.14 | 20-1¾i ————Bubka 2/13/93

6.14 | 20-1¾(A) ————Bubka 7/31/94

6.13 | 20-1¼i ————Bubka 2/21/92

6.13 | 20-1¼ ————Bubka 9/19/92

6.12 | 20-1i ————Bubka (Soviet Union) 3/23/91

6.12 | 20-1 ————Bubka 8/30/92

8.95 | 29-4½ Mike Powell (US) 8/30/91

8.90 | 29-2½(A) Bob Beamon (US) 10/18/68

8.87 | 29-1¼ Carl Lewis (US) 8/30/91

8.86 | 29-1(A) Robert Emmiyan (Soviet Union) 5/22/87

8.84 | 29-0 ————Lewis ! 8/30/91

8.79 | 28-10¼ ————Lewis 6/19/83

8.79 | 28-10¼i ————Lewis 1/27/84

8.76 | 28-9 ————Lewis 7/24/82

8.76 | 28-9 ————Lewis 7/18/88

8.75 | 28-8½ ————Lewis 8/16/87

Javman wrote:

Look at discussion on T&F News.

look how many of them still keep mixing metric and imperial measurements.

No doubt half of them are white-hairs. Who still discusses throws in anything but meters?

At the meet they first announced the mark in feet, and the only markers on the field were the 60 and 70 ft markers.

Track as a spectator sport is such a flop here so I can understand why b/c they are trying to appeal to HS athletes who still use imperial -- but they really should at least have metric markers on the opposite side.

Amateur hour. Ugh.

habs wrote:

they are trying to appeal to HS athletes who still use imperial

There are no HS athletes who need imperial. The only ones with the misfortune of still USING it have grandparents who need imperial and can't run a meet without it.

Hopefully this meet will use this humiliation to drag itself into the 21st century

Did they measure the “ WR ?” with a metal tape immediately after the throw?

I think think the rules still require this.

Wow, talk about over dramatic. There was a mistake on live results!! Apocalypse!!

Every parent, kid, and normal human that has attended track meets in this world knows that live results are unofficial but nice to have, announcers aren’t typically track & field worshippers (they are hired for a good voice), and officials these days make mistakes on occasion especially with technical lasers and tablet input.

Good god, it was unfortunate but not that big a deal for 99.99999999999% of people.

This just makes me think you have a grudge against the timing company and want to shout it from the rooftop.