Ukraine is not a NATO member, we didn't sign any other treaties to defend them, and they don't have any valuable industry or resouces that the world relies on.
So why can't we just tell Russia and Ukraine to sort it out among themselves? It's not anyone else's problem. If they want to fight, so be it. Maybe we can even make a profit by selling weapons to both sides.
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Let’s assume he doesn’t give a sh!t about any of that.
There is another big reason as well: geopolitics. Ukraine is of significant strategic value to the US and Europe; allowing Russia to occupy it would come back to bite the West in the future
Because Hunter Biden's livelihood depends on it.
antivaxxers killing democracy wrote:
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Let’s assume he doesn’t give a sh!t about any of that.
There is another big reason as well: geopolitics. Ukraine is of significant strategic value to the US and Europe; allowing Russia to occupy it would come back to bite the West in the future
Exactly right. Ukraine sits strategically between all the other NATO/EU countries and Russia. It wants to be democratic and free and closer to the West. That alone is something US and the West should fully support. Putin will not stop at just Ukraine. Russia is a threat to all of Europe and cares nothing about human rights. And we can't let history repeat itself.
https://www.state.gov/united-with-ukraine/#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20reaffirms%20its,Ukraine%20and%20the%20broader%20region.
There's nothing going on in Ukraine lately, it's just another psyop. The purpose is to transition out of the covid psyop.
Look at how many posters have sunk their teeth right into it and blabber all day long. It's entertainment.
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Two points: Point 1. A quick review of Saddam Hussein crossing into Kuwait, June, 1990. Point 2. Risk/reward.
This current Ukraine/Russia issue is similar to Kuwait/Iraq/K.S.A. issue, June, 1990. U.S. initially had a vague attitude about Iraq going into Kuwait then several hours later, U.S. decided to make an issue. Desert Shield/Desert Storm was expensive. U.S. was able to get K.S.A. to pay much of U.S.' expenses. H.W. Bush and his advisors didn't consider oil prices were going to go up and stay up for awhile. U.S. suffered Stagflation. A recession with high oil prices. Should current U.S. president ruin his reelection probability for Ukraine? Why?
Point 2. Risk/reward. Do you know exactly how U.S. may react if U.S. loses or U.S. is losing? Russia has home field advantage. Russia does not have complicated supply lines. U.S. does not have home field advantage. U.S. will have complicated supply lines. France and Germany don't want to help U.S. U.S., regarding tanks are out numbered. U.S. Army generals in 1980's openly discussed use of tactical nukes due to U.S. poor tank ratio versus then Soviet Union. U.S. still has a poor tank ratio versus Russia. U.S. military currently is set up to beat up on Underdeveloped Nations, countries with no tanks. No matter how important you believe is Ukraine, U.S. fighting Russia would risk nuclear conflict.
I don't believe Ukraine is worth it. There is no contract to honor in regard to defending Ukraine.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian troll.
what is even going on? I have not seen anything that lets me belief russia did ever plan to invade. usa seemed to have started that rumour for some reason. on top its funny that usa and others have soldiers in ukraine but whine about russia having soldiers at their own border.
We have an outsource team in Ukraine. We've already making plans in case stuff goes south there.
deflectomat wrote:
what is even going on? I have not seen anything that lets me belief russia did ever plan to invade. usa seemed to have started that rumour for some reason. on top its funny that usa and others have soldiers in ukraine but whine about russia having soldiers at their own border.
A fine post Comrade! 10 Rubles for you and your family!
Because we care about Ukraine's 4x400 women's relay team.
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Sounds like more of a problem for Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, UK, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, etc. They can take the lead, we can send some supplies or something. They got this.
We should care because this is exactly how major global conflicts start. WW II began as both Germany and Japan began to annex or or invade neighboring countries and mutual defense treaties or alliances pulled other countries into the conflict. Since Putin rose to power the Russian military has modernized both its equipment and tactics with participation in Syria and other garden spots. Germany is so dependent on Russian natural gas (having backed away from both coal and nuclear power) that it's new leader is afraid to make a fuss
When I read the news I don't care what killed Betty White at 99, I don't care about what Mitch McConnell is blocking now in the Senate. Russian aggression in the Ukraine is something you should worry about quite a bit. Putin knows that Biden is off his game a bit and smarting from the images of desperate Afghan children falling from C5 transport planes
With social media and the 24/7 news cycle I think we've become desensitized to real news
not in our backyard wrote:
Ukraine is not a NATO member, we didn't sign any other treaties to defend them, and they don't have any valuable industry or resouces that the world relies on.
So why can't we just tell Russia and Ukraine to sort it out among themselves? It's not anyone else's problem. If they want to fight, so be it. Maybe we can even make a profit by selling weapons to both sides.
I concur. I just checked my location in relation to Ukraine. It’s more than two cities away, so……………. I don’t care at all.
Don’t care about NATO, the “West” or any of that crap.
Mainstream news is meant to shock….. turn it off and you’ll be better for it.
When I see Russian tanks driving down my street, I’ll figure it out.
Until then…… Up yours, Putin, Biden, etc.
Ukrainians do not want illegal immigrants crossing their border. It won't help any political party add votes.
former U.S.M.C. rifleman wrote:
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Let me guess you’re a Russian troll who gets a kick watching Putin flex his muscle. Why do we care? Because In this day and age power houses like Russia or any country for that matter especially European should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished. Ukraine is the largest European country after Russia but it can’t defend itself against Russias military on its own. . More bloodshed and murder of innocent civilians, displaced people, lack of basic essentials for what? The fact that you think that’s is fine is disgusting
Two points: Point 1. A quick review of Saddam Hussein crossing into Kuwait, June, 1990. Point 2. Risk/reward.
This current Ukraine/Russia issue is similar to Kuwait/Iraq/K.S.A. issue, June, 1990. U.S. initially had a vague attitude about Iraq going into Kuwait then several hours later, U.S. decided to make an issue. Desert Shield/Desert Storm was expensive. U.S. was able to get K.S.A. to pay much of U.S.' expenses. H.W. Bush and his advisors didn't consider oil prices were going to go up and stay up for awhile. U.S. suffered Stagflation. A recession with high oil prices. Should current U.S. president ruin his reelection probability for Ukraine? Why?
Point 2. Risk/reward. Do you know exactly how U.S. may react if U.S. loses or U.S. is losing? Russia has home field advantage. Russia does not have complicated supply lines. U.S. does not have home field advantage. U.S. will have complicated supply lines. France and Germany don't want to help U.S. U.S., regarding tanks are out numbered. U.S. Army generals in 1980's openly discussed use of tactical nukes due to U.S. poor tank ratio versus then Soviet Union. U.S. still has a poor tank ratio versus Russia. U.S. military currently is set up to beat up on Underdeveloped Nations, countries with no tanks. No matter how important you believe is Ukraine, U.S. fighting Russia would risk nuclear conflict.
I don't believe Ukraine is worth it. There is no contract to honor in regard to defending Ukraine.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian troll.
Look, Ivan apologizer, the outcome of Russia invading Ukr will not be a ground war with US troops. What presumably will occur is that Russia is ostracized from polite society. No travel, banking, trade, etc.
Its hard for me to imagine wealthy Russians being on board with this. Either Putin is crazy or his fellow oligarchs are crazy and he is just humoring them. None of it makes any sense.
ALso, if not Ukr, then Estonia? Finland? Poland? Bulgaria? At what point do you say no? Never? That what I thought..
Slava Ukraini wrote:
Because In this day and age power houses should not be free to go occupy and invade other countries without being punished.
By these standards, the US should account for war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan for ruining those countries and more importantly for causing the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqiNaperville Runner wrote:
We should care because this is exactly how major global conflicts start. WW II began as both Germany and Japan began to annex or or invade neighboring countries and mutual defense treaties or alliances pulled other countries into the conflict. Since Putin rose to power the Russian military has modernized both its equipment and tactics with participation in Syria and other garden spots. Germany is so dependent on Russian natural gas (having backed away from both coal and nuclear power) that it's new leader is afraid to make a fuss
When I read the news I don't care what killed Betty White at 99, I don't care about what Mitch McConnell is blocking now in the Senate. Russian aggression in the Ukraine is something you should worry about quite a bit. Putin knows that Biden is off his game a bit and smarting from the images of desperate Afghan children falling from C5 transport planes
With social media and the 24/7 news cycle I think we've become desensitized to real news
Wrong. China is the real enemy. Cant believe you guys dont see this.
China literally said it will bash our heads in for any minor resistance to their aggression.
Steve The Addict > Wilt Chamberlain wrote:
Because Hunter Biden's livelihood depends on it.
I love that, player.
not in our backyard wrote:
Ukraine is not a NATO member, we didn't sign any other treaties to defend them, and they don't have any valuable industry or resouces that the world relies on.
So why can't we just tell Russia and Ukraine to sort it out among themselves? It's not anyone else's problem. If they want to fight, so be it. Maybe we can even make a profit by selling weapons to both sides.
Amen. Let them be. 99% of people on this board represent the typical American who thinks they know everything about the world and have never lived in another country for more than a few years to understand their culture, politics, and goals.