NCAA Conversion to 25:46!!!
Just crazy, crazy fast. Both convert to world records by a lot. I would not be surprised to see either one get close to the world records. They wouldn't drop time like a sea level athlete but they would drop a minute or more.
Those are both crazy fast times. Does this mean there's 3 men and women who could realistically break the WR this year?
For men, there's Cheptegai, Kiplimo, and Dida now.
And for women, there's Gidey, Hassan, and Yehualaw.
Peach Pit wrote:
Those are both crazy fast times. Does this mean there's 3 men and women who could realistically break the WR this year?
For men, there's Cheptegai, Kiplimo, and Dida now.
And for women, there's Gidey, Hassan, and Yehualaw.
kamworor if he hasn’t fully switched to longer distances
Im a little bit skeptical of the conversion to sub 26. If he is somehow in shape to run a sub 26 10k, that does not line up with the kind of performances on his WA profile at all.
Im open to being convinced otherwise. Sell me on this guy being the real deal.
These conversion are not correct, that's the obvious conclusion.
I dont know how people can say with a straight face that some guy we've never heard of just ran the equivalent of a 25:46. That's equivalent to a 3:22 lmao. And the guy's 5k pr is 13:14.
Thats not how it works at all lol. Runners who were born at altitude and have lived there their whole life will not see anywhere remotely close to the drop in times implied by the conversion sheets. Ive seen this discussion multiple times over the years when a Kenyan/Ethiopian runs a fast time at altitude that converts to WR or near WR at sea level and it never comes to fruition. They just are not impacted as much by the altitude, the conversion makes no sense.
Geoffery Kam ran 27:01 at 6,000 feet in the Kenyan trials and that conversion was like Sub 26 as well. This dude might be able to go under 27:00 but nowhere near 26:11.
xcfan22675 wrote:
Geoffery Kam ran 27:01 at 6,000 feet in the Kenyan trials and that conversion was like Sub 26 as well. This dude might be able to go under 27:00 but nowhere near 26:11.
Look at Cheptegei. Before breaking the WR in Valencian 10 000m with 26:11 his PB was 26:48. His form in Valencia wasn't probably much better than his form in Doha WC in 2019, but the difference was in pacemaking, style of racing (not championships), weather etc. If Kamworor had similar race like Cheptegei he would for sure ran sub 26:20/26:25.
So he would run 35 seconds faster. That gives around 26:47 for this guy, which is not outrageous but a far cry from 25:46 according to altitude conversions.
G.Kamworor has personal bests of 3:40.7 (Kisii/2015), 7:51.55 (Eugene/2017), 12:59.98 (Eugene 2016), 26:52.65 (Eugene 2015), 58:01 (Copenhagen/2019), 2:05:23 (Valencia/2021), and I assume the “unofficial world record” at high altitude for 10,000 m when he ran 27:01 in the Kenyan trials in 2021. That run might’ve been worth around 2630 at sea level. You are correct when you state that the differential between altitude and sea level is much less pronounced for these guys who grew up at altitude.
Remember when they ran 27:01 and 27:05 at 5200ft last year and the Olympic final was going to be sub 26:30 and someone was probably going to break cheptegeis record by 10+ seconds at some point in 2021 who remembers that?
gold medalist wrote:
Remember when they ran 27:01 and 27:05 at 5200ft last year and the Olympic final was going to be sub 26:30 and someone was probably going to break cheptegeis record by 10+ seconds at some point in 2021 who remembers that?
Man, your writing skills are really bad.
JonnyEx wrote:
NCAA Conversion to 25:46!!!
These conversions are probably not that accurate in that direction.
23% less oxygen available compared to sea level.
Yes East Africans can run amazingly fast at altitude. So their sea level performances shouldn't be so surprising.
And yet their oxygen uptake levels are the same as many sea level hobbyjoggers.
This is the kind of stuff we really should be discussing rojo. But you do wanna know. Why is that?
xcfan22675 wrote:
Thats not how it works at all lol. Runners who were born at altitude and have lived there their whole life will not see anywhere remotely close to the drop in times implied by the conversion sheets. Ive seen this discussion multiple times over the years when a Kenyan/Ethiopian runs a fast time at altitude that converts to WR or near WR at sea level and it never comes to fruition. They just are not impacted as much by the altitude, the conversion makes no sense.
Geoffery Kam ran 27:01 at 6,000 feet in the Kenyan trials and that conversion was like Sub 26 as well. This dude might be able to go under 27:00 but nowhere near 26:11.
When you say that's not how it works, you cannot be referring to me. What I said was that these runners will not drop close to the conversion but they will still drop a good deal of time. They are not running 27:22 at 7,700 feet and then running 27:22 at sea level. This course had at least one hill mentioned in the article as well. Nor will they drop 90 seconds. But surely 60 seconds plus. Yalemzerf ran a 29:45 enroute to 1:03 half. She can run low 29 on the track, at worst.
Fake times, pseudo-experts fell for it...
WA article lists times as 28:24 and 31:17...
Saw the corrections earlier. It's truly remarkable how the Letsrun.com members will display corrections for transparency. Knowing there will be asanine comments regardless. Thank you to Letsrun.com staff for reporting with honesty. And unafraid to show corrections. You could never work for mainstream news agencies lol.