Makes the cinderella story even more crazy. She told the story of her real marathon debut on our video show with Deena last night.
Makes the cinderella story even more crazy. She told the story of her real marathon debut on our video show with Deena last night.
Sounds like she has a good pharmacist.
According to MarathonGuide.com, the 3:49 race in Missoula was her second marathon. She ran a 3:20 at Marine Corps in 2012. I posted her marathon history in another thread as complete as I can find it.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=11067589&page=10
wejo wrote:
Makes the cinderella story even more crazy. She told the story of her real marathon debut on our video show with Deena last night.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/01/keira-damato-ran-349-and-had-to-walk-during-her-marathon-debut-now-shes-the-american-record-holder/
Okay? So she was out of shape. And she’s not out of shape anymore
Yankee Candle wrote:
wejo wrote:
Makes the cinderella story even more crazy. She told the story of her real marathon debut on our video show with Deena last night.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/01/keira-damato-ran-349-and-had-to-walk-during-her-marathon-debut-now-shes-the-american-record-holder/Okay? So she was out of shape. And she’s not out of shape anymore
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Yankee Candle wrote:
Okay? So she was out of shape. And she’s not out of shape anymore
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
God people are stupid (not offensive because Robert Johnson says this all the time)
If Kipchoge took a year off running then began to get back into shape, at some point in him doing so, he would be in 3:49 marathon shape.
That does not make him a 3:49 marathoner who afterwards magically became a 2 hour marathoner. It just means he WAS out of shape and NOW he’s not
Understand?
Really doesn't mean much of anything. The marathon is not like a 5K, 10K or even half, where you can fake it once you start feeling bad. The distance is unforgiving if you're out-of-shape. It's a long and brutal slog in if you're having a bad day and you didn't prepare properly.
The 3:49 is not too far off what Oprah ran in her marathon.
Yankee Candle wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
God people are stupid (not offensive because Robert Johnson says this all the time)
If Kipchoge took a year off running then began to get back into shape, at some point in him doing so, he would be in 3:49 marathon shape.
That does not make him a 3:49 marathoner who afterwards magically became a 2 hour marathoner. It just means he WAS out of shape and NOW he’s not
Understand?
Apparently you don't. You argue backwards from Kipchoge's undeniable talent - his astonishing records - to suggest he would be as slow as D'Amato if he was out of shape. False argument with no facts to support it. He has never had a come-from-nowhere overnight-achievement path like D'Amato. He is in fact an argument against the credibility of what she has just done. Well done. To quote yourself - "God, people are stupid".
Armstronglivs wrote:
Yankee Candle wrote:
God people are stupid (not offensive because Robert Johnson says this all the time)
If Kipchoge took a year off running then began to get back into shape, at some point in him doing so, he would be in 3:49 marathon shape.
That does not make him a 3:49 marathoner who afterwards magically became a 2 hour marathoner. It just means he WAS out of shape and NOW he’s not
Understand?
Apparently you don't. You argue backwards from Kipchoge's undeniable talent - his astonishing records - to suggest he would be as slow as D'Amato if he was out of shape. False argument with no facts to support it. He has never had a come-from-nowhere overnight-achievement path like D'Amato. He is in fact an argument against the credibility of what she has just done. Well done. To quote yourself - "God, people are stupid".
I was quoting Rojo
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
Really doesn't mean much of anything. The marathon is not like a 5K, 10K or even half, where you can fake it once you start feeling bad. The distance is unforgiving if you're out-of-shape. It's a long and brutal slog in if you're having a bad day and you didn't prepare properly.
Out-of-shape can simply be an alternative phrase to "mediocre without much potential". Like a lot of 3.49 runners. She sounds more like a handicapped athlete.
Yankee Candle wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Apparently you don't. You argue backwards from Kipchoge's undeniable talent - his astonishing records - to suggest he would be as slow as D'Amato if he was out of shape. False argument with no facts to support it. He has never had a come-from-nowhere overnight-achievement path like D'Amato. He is in fact an argument against the credibility of what she has just done. Well done. To quote yourself - "God, people are stupid".
I was quoting Rojo
Perhaps he was including you.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
Really doesn't mean much of anything. The marathon is not like a 5K, 10K or even half, where you can fake it once you start feeling bad. The distance is unforgiving if you're out-of-shape. It's a long and brutal slog in if you're having a bad day and you didn't prepare properly.
Out-of-shape can simply be an alternative phrase to "mediocre without much potential". Like a lot of 3.49 runners. She sounds more like a handicapped athlete.
How fast do you think rojo can run now? I think he'd be happy with an out-of-shape 3:49.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Yankee Candle wrote:
I was quoting Rojo
Perhaps he was including you.
More like YOU
Armstronglivs wrote:
Yankee Candle wrote:
Okay? So she was out of shape. And she’s not out of shape anymore
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
Right after college she was a low 16s 5K runner, correct? That's a much better measure of her talent.
I've broken 3 for a marathon - I do not believe there is any amount of drugs that could get me to 2:19.
I'm not stating any kind of conclusion one way or the other on whether PEDs are involved here. But PEDs or not, nobody is running 2:19 without a significant amount of underlying talent.
Armstronglivs wrote:
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
You are so desparate for her to be doping. it's even more pathetic than people desparate for Shelby Houlihan to be clean.
There are so many reasons D'Amato's record could be legitimate:
-she's shown an actual normal progression for the marathon, especially for someone her age
-the AR isn't actually that fast; this isn't even a top-20 perfrmance all time
-The race was in absolute pefect conditions: perfect weather flat course, male pacers whose job it was to pace her to the record
And there's zero reason for her to be doping. Nike pays her to be an inspirational full-time realtor/mom who gets on the leaderboard at races; they're not going to dope her to get an AR.
But go ahead, keep typing 'chemicals" like you have any idea what you're talking about.
Yankee Candle wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
According to that argument the average out of shape runner could end up running an American record. 3.49 shows more than being "out of shape" - it shows no talent. 2.19 is chemically produced.
God people are stupid (not offensive because Robert Johnson says this all the time)
If Kipchoge took a year off running then began to get back into shape, at some point in him doing so, he would be in 3:49 marathon shape.
That does not make him a 3:49 marathoner who afterwards magically became a 2 hour marathoner. It just means he WAS out of shape and NOW he’s not
Understand?
I ran 2:57 after not running for 2 years, and only trained 2 weeks, running 4 times total before running 2:57. At the age of 45. 2 years after hip replacement surgery.
And I was never a marathoner, 1500m runner.
I can’t imagine even now running as slow as 3:10, let alone 3:49.
And I have no 2:19 aspirations
MohammedA wrote:
Yankee Candle wrote:
God people are stupid (not offensive because Robert Johnson says this all the time)
If Kipchoge took a year off running then began to get back into shape, at some point in him doing so, he would be in 3:49 marathon shape.
That does not make him a 3:49 marathoner who afterwards magically became a 2 hour marathoner. It just means he WAS out of shape and NOW he’s not
Understand?
I ran 2:57 after not running for 2 years, and only trained 2 weeks, running 4 times total before running 2:57. At the age of 45. 2 years after hip replacement surgery.
And I was never a marathoner, 1500m runner.
I can’t imagine even now running as slow as 3:10, let alone 3:49.
And I have no 2:19 aspirations
No one cares
runner1969 wrote:
How fast do you think rojo can run now? I think he'd be happy with an out-of-shape 3:49.
Rojo will not run sub 4 hours. 100%
I opened with a 3:03 first marathon and never broke 2:50. WTF is wrong with me? Wish I had been more like Keira.