SHOCKING. Lia Thomas appears to be done. NCAA IMMEDIATELY changing transgender regulations

I agree with all of the above.

Someone at work brought this topic up a couple days ago and it's disappointing how unempathetic people are to the situations these athletes are being put through. Not only do they just want to compete and be treated with dignity, but the sporting federations don't know what to do with them and then they become the subjects of commentary and criticism from fans and pundits. So they are simultaneously the villains and also have no support from their governing bodies.

Our current framework doesn't really allow for a truly "fair" outcome as it's unfair to allow most M - F transgender athletes to compete in the women's divisions but it is similarly unfair that they can't compete at all.

At first, a few years ago, it was an interesting and novel ethical debate.

Then it became a fascinating, philosophical (and still ethical) reflection on a person's individual right to compete in sport, with many participants on both sides of the debate.

Then it became a total side-show where just about everyone agreed something needed to be done, and quickly.

The NCAA should have tackled the issue a long time ago, but instead they just sort of did nothing until it became a catastrophe. Pretty much on par for them tbh

"Transgender athlete participation will now be determined by the national governing body of that particular sport. If no national governing body exists, the international federation policy would be followed."

I guess the decision falls on USA Swimming.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/01/20/ncaa-updates-transgender-athlete-participation-policy

So men are still allowed to compete in the womens division?

This is a gross violation of womens rights.

Well M-F transgenders can compete, just not against females. Since males are not females, they cannot compete in the female division - make sense? If they do, they are cheaters. I'm glad I could clear up this "complex" issue for everybody.

Let it Rupp wrote:

Well M-F transgenders can compete, just not against females. Since males are not females, they cannot compete in the female division - make sense? If they do, they are cheaters. I'm glad I could clear up this "complex" issue for everybody.

I agree with you, but why does this only apply monday thru friday? What about the weekends?

"A spokesperson from the NCAA has clarified that the “previously established IOC policy criteria” refers to the November 2021 framework, which doesn’t have specific rules about testosterone impression but provides guidance to sport governing bodies as they establish their own rules. In other words, at present, for swimming, this means that there is now no testosterone suppression requirement, as neither FINA nor USA Swimming have published one."

https://swimswam.com/ncaa-board-of-governors-updates-transgender-policy/

Wow. So I guess she's not done. She can continue to dominate.

The rules should be simple - no level is acceptable.

I agree that it's sad that people forget Lia Thomas and others are real people with real struggles. That being said, I have to disagree vehemently with your notion that "they can't compete at all."

They are free to compete in the sex of their birth.

They are bringing this on themselves. There is no right to compete in elite HS or college sports. It's a privilege. Thomas is free to compete as she has in the previous 20 years of her life (as a man) or to swim on her own for recreation like 98% of HS athletes who don't end up D1.

I mean I never had the HS career I wanted as I was hurt all the time. When i was 25 should I have been allowed to identify as 15 and compete? My wife is 10 years younger than me so maybe emotionally I was 15.

Thomas is a transwoman - but she is not a female biologically and never will be. The whole idea that this was every acceptable is just beyond logical. We didn't start women's sports because most women wear dresses, or wear their hair a certain way. It's mainly because men have testes that produce huge levels of testosterone that result in huge advantages in sports.

OozmaKappa wrote:

So men are still allowed to compete in the womens division?

This is a gross violation of womens rights.

I bet u not would talk trash to Lia and call her a mans to her face.

Don’t you think the optics would be a little weird to have Lia Thomas or any other woman, with breasts and a full

one-piece swimsuit, line up against a field of shirtless men?

If this were playing out in track, are you saying you would be okay with a transman with bulging biceps and a full beard running against a field of women because he was born a woman? The whole “they can still compete in their birth sex” argument is going to look real ugly if someone were to actually do it.

As far as the age argument goes, at least at this point it is not possible to legally change your age. It’s silly to suggest it. Lia Thomas is a woman legally. Penn accepts her as a woman, and I would even assume her drivers license or other government-issued IDs say she is a woman. If you’re basically saying “a man can’t be a woman, just like I can’t be 10 years younger” then you are saying that transgenderism does not exist.

I’m sure you will get more hate from the visiors of your own site, but this is correct. We are trying to make things fair for ever single person and get stuck in this paradox. If we make it “fair” for Lia, it will be unfair other female athletes. The universe is not fair.

My question is, can she identify as a woman and still compete against the men? I know there have been female football players in mens college football. I think the answer is yes, but didn’t know if a female swimsuit or using the womens locker room would disqualify her.

All athletes are subject to PED rules, so you wouldn't have biological females running around the track with bulging biceps and beards. The swimmer from Yale is a good example. He is transitioning to a male, but is waiting to take hormone treatments until after competition.

I think Caitlyn Jenner's recent statements amped up the pressure on the NCAA, so they decided to follow the IOC's lead and try to make it someone else's decision. The interview of Jenner yesterday was pretty compelling.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/caitlyn-jenner-biological-boys-should-not-be-playing-in-womens-sports

"I don’t know why she’s doing this," Jenner said. Thomas competing in women’s sports, she said, is not good for the transgender community.

"She knows when she’s swimming she’s beating the competition by two laps. She was born a biological boy," Jenner pointed out. "She was raised as a biological boy. Her cardiovascular system is bigger, her respiratory system is bigger, her hands are bigger, she can swim faster. That’s a known."

"All of this woke world that we are living in right now is not working," she said. "I feel sorry for the other athletes that are out there, especially at Penn or anybody she’s competing against because in the woke world you have to say, ‘Oh, my gosh, this is great 'and on and on and on. No, it’s not. We need to protect women’s sports and the NCAA needs to make the right decision tomorrow, and I think that is probably to stop this right now. Rethink it."

Yep. It is extraordinary that any of this has to be said, but good for Jenner. The world right now is insane because a tiny minority of crazy, politically favored zealots can maumau people on social media to the point where institutions keep appeasing them and claiming that 1+1=5 while the vast majority are told to jump in a lake and the predominate opinionabout the subject suppressed. Having a biological male swim against women is utter, batsh*t insanity and stupidity, frivolous and cultish. Think about it. East Germany dominated the sport by having its female swimmers take steroids. But now forcing women to swim against a full grown man is a great leap forward? It's "inclusive" or "equitable" for some bizarre ideogical reason? And Thomas is a malignant narcissist. I think people have finally had enough, but I still expect the NCAA to cower to a tiny group of loudmouths on the subject.

You know it's a crazy messed up situation when Bruce Caitlyn Jenner is the voice of reason.

Oh boy. Things really not looking good for Lia.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/penn-lia-thomas-colluded-transgender-swimmer-race

If this is true, they've set rights for transgender Athletes back to the dark ages.

I don't understand how the NCAA didn't have the foresight to predict that its existing transgender policies have significant flaws.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

So men are still allowed to compete in the womens division?

This is a gross violation of womens rights.

I bet u not would talk trash to Lia and call her a mans to her face.

Yes I would. Man-to-man.

Was tempted to ignore your insinuation that stating biological facts and pointing out womens rights violations is equivalent to "talking trash" but it's too stupid to ignore.