Bowerman goes home devasted!
Emily with a nice 3rd in a "workout" race!.
She back!
Is Max Crush Monday's a better coach than Jerry????????????
Bowerman goes home devasted!
Emily with a nice 3rd in a "workout" race!.
She back!
Is Max Crush Monday's a better coach than Jerry????????????
Anyone who is willing to indivdalize workouts for her- would be considered a better coach than jerry at this point, for her
Schumacher has become a very lazy coach. He has a formula for middle distance runners and just wants to use it without modification. Nike provides him with talent. So long as a few make teams, get medals, and set records, then he looks successful.
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
Schumacher has become a very lazy coach. He has a formula for middle distance runners and just wants to use it without modification. Nike provides him with talent. So long as a few make teams, get medals, and set records, then he looks successful.
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
Not the case at all. If you want to compete with the best you need to be very fit. If you can't stay healthy then you can't be fit. His training doesn't mesh great with older athletes but absolutely works great for the younger.
it is time wrote:
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
Schumacher has become a very lazy coach. He has a formula for middle distance runners and just wants to use it without modification. Nike provides him with talent. So long as a few make teams, get medals, and set records, then he looks successful.
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
Not the case at all. If you want to compete with the best you need to be very fit. If you can't stay healthy then you can't be fit. His training doesn't mesh great with older athletes but absolutely works great for the younger.
“His training doesn’t mesh great with older athletes”
Sounds like a coach who can’t differentiate athletic needs (AKA a lazy coach).
Still wearing Nike -- does that mean she's still sponsored by them?
I don't get Bowerman. They had such a good thing going, made you interested in their team + their athletes, & then blew the whole thing up. Meanwhile, Shalane goes on a marathon tour for PR, while they cover up a doping scandal & sign mostly international runners.
Such a mega talent but she is fighting her body so much for an elite. She pulls right and the note she tires the worse her form gets. Limited future.
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
Schumacher has become a very lazy coach. He has a formula for middle distance runners and just wants to use it without modification. Nike provides him with talent. So long as a few make teams, get medals, and set records, then he looks successful.
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
Alright, I'll just say what we're all thinking.
I hate Jerry Schumacher!!!
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
The team has access to the best doctors, strength coaches, physios, biomechanics experts in the country and the team is still plagued by injuries. Keeping your athletes healthy is your number 1 priority as a coach.
in retrospect wrote:
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
If half of the squad is on IR or worn out at any given time, that’s just collateral damage and weak sauce that couldn’t hold up to Jerry’s master plan. Good luck to any BTC athletes past age 27, moving up in distance, or more naturally talented at 10K and up.
The team has access to the best doctors, strength coaches, physios, biomechanics experts in the country and the team is still plagued by injuries. Keeping your athletes healthy is your number 1 priority as a coach.
I think Schumacher is overrated as a coach.
Notwithstanding the above, I think there's a decent amount of misconception about BTC. They have one full time physio (who I understand they only hired last year) and their "strength coach" is a retired steepler who I don't know if he actually has any qualifications in strength&conditioning. They don't have a team doctor or even a "go to" doctor. It's not like NOP who have Dave McHenry's whole physio studio and biomechanics analysis suite affiliated with the team.
Probably the biggest benefit is the very expensive training camps in Park City Utah being paid for. They're a very privileged team, but it's still a very amateurish set up compared to average pro sports, or even the more sophisticated college sports.
Schumacher's results speak for themselves.
Giving your athletes nandrolone surely helps get results, too.
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
Giving your athletes nandrolone surely helps get results, too.
"I've never even heard of nandrolone!" - Jerry
Nice to see Infeld running, but that was a weak field and a mediocre effort for her. And I don't understand the negative Schumacher nonsense. He seems to be a nice guy and he's definitely the most successful US distance coach. No one else is even close.
The Trees wrote:
Nice to see Infeld running, but that was a weak field and a mediocre effort for her.
Infeld was 61 seconds behind Monson in last year's Olympic Trials 10k race.
Today, she was 35 seconds behind Alicia in a slow, 10k+ xc race.
Not a mediocre effort at all.
Emily's doing just fine and will be a contender for World's 10k team along w/Kelati, Monson, Schweizer, Cranny, et. al. if she chooses to run USAs in June.
That may not happen, however, if she feels that long-distance training for road racing is the best way for her to stay healthy instead of spiking up for hard track intervals.
another perspective wrote:
in retrospect wrote:
The team has access to the best doctors, strength coaches, physios, biomechanics experts in the country and the team is still plagued by injuries. Keeping your athletes healthy is your number 1 priority as a coach.
I think Schumacher is overrated as a coach.
Notwithstanding the above, I think there's a decent amount of misconception about BTC. They have one full time physio (who I understand they only hired last year) and their "strength coach" is a retired steepler who I don't know if he actually has any qualifications in strength&conditioning. They don't have a team doctor or even a "go to" doctor. It's not like NOP who have Dave McHenry's whole physio studio and biomechanics analysis suite affiliated with the team.
Probably the biggest benefit is the very expensive training camps in Park City Utah being paid for. They're a very privileged team, but it's still a very amateurish set up compared to average pro sports, or even the more sophisticated college sports.
Yeah this is one the things people forget Mary Cain exposed about the NOP and I imagine it’s the same about bowerman and Nike’s other teams is that they didn’t actually have the most qualified support staff it was just whoever was friends of Alberto and in this case friends of jerry.
For a world medalist, that indeed is a “mediocre” result, but good luck to her.
The Trees wrote:
Nice to see Infeld running, but that was a weak field and a mediocre effort for her. And I don't understand the negative Schumacher nonsense. He seems to be a nice guy and he's definitely the most successful US distance coach. No one else is even close.
Salazar is better. That isn't a joke.
Since we're talking about poor coaches, can we just also admit Pete isn't very good either. How'd his athletes do at Trials/Olympics? People just automatically assume he is good because he inherited a team from Alberto.
Carnandrolone Burrito wrote:
Since we're talking about poor coaches, can we just also admit Pete isn't very good either. How'd his athletes do at Trials/Olympics? People just automatically assume he is good because he inherited a team from Alberto.
PJ is lucky that he received a ready made Rogers before the season to give his group a medal. 2021 was not a pretty year for that group.
He managed to overtrain and break Brazier who should have been a lock for gold.
Klosterhalfen spent the best part of 2 years injured. One of the most talented young women in mid to long distance. She should be fighting for medals in the 15 and 5 not being a non entity in the 10000m. This woman was dropping 14:26 **solo in her national champs** - Houlihan/Schweizer barely match that time in a perfectly paced time trial.
Craig Engels, to be fair, gave us one of the moments of the season with the wave/Beamish blowing his doors off at Pre.
Efraimson struggling to break 2:05 and 4:10.
Clayton Murphy 9th in a weak Oly final.
Jenkins 10th and DNF in US trials 5000/10000.
Jess Hull runs quite hot/cold runners. 3:58 in the semi, second last in the final.
Jordan Hasay joins back up with the group and gets beaten by a retired Shalane Flanagan on her 5th marathon in 6 weeks.
Rough.