Actually I have never used VAERS for adverse event statistics since it's not casual or controlled?
The knowledge gap is too apparent here. I asked you to defend a claim you accidentally(?) made and now you say "but my friend" and "thrice vaccinated" (before it was 6!).... and then "wait bro idk why we are talking about this!" ... you brought up the argument! Just weird.
silence is violence
antivaxxers: "The data I wish for doesn't exist therefore I don't know why people are still talking about it, just stick your head in the sand like me... or have weird bloodlust fantasies where all the smart normal people die?"
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
This paper never made the news, but it was released on 11Jan2023. Here's a cut and paste of excerpts.
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SARS-CoV-2, and RSV tend to have significantly shorter incubation periods (Table 1) and rapid courses of viral replication. They replicate predominantly in local mucosal tissue, without causing viremia, and do not significantly encounter the systemic immune system or the full force of adaptive immune responses, which take at least 5–7 days to mature, usually well after the peak of viral replication and onward transmission to others.
although genetic and antigenic variability of viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 make vaccine design more challenging, these factors by themselves cannot fully explain the lack of elicitation of long-term protective immunity against other respiratory mucosal viruses like the more phenotypically stable RSV. Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
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tl;dr version...
SARS-Cov-2 replicates in the nasal passages where it is sheltered from the full effects of the immune system. Thus, the person can become infected AND transmit the virus to others before the vaccine can interact with it.
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
This paper never made the news, but it was released on 11Jan2023. Here's a cut and paste of excerpts.
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SARS-CoV-2, and RSV tend to have significantly shorter incubation periods (Table 1) and rapid courses of viral replication. They replicate predominantly in local mucosal tissue, without causing viremia, and do not significantly encounter the systemic immune system or the full force of adaptive immune responses, which take at least 5–7 days to mature, usually well after the peak of viral replication and onward transmission to others.
although genetic and antigenic variability of viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 make vaccine design more challenging, these factors by themselves cannot fully explain the lack of elicitation of long-term protective immunity against other respiratory mucosal viruses like the more phenotypically stable RSV. Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
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tl;dr version...
SARS-Cov-2 replicates in the nasal passages where it is sheltered from the full effects of the immune system. Thus, the person can become infected AND transmit the virus to others before the vaccine can interact with it.
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
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I think all of us have been saying that for some time. How else does one interpret effectiveness metrics that are less than 100%.
The world is not generally binary. The vaccines have demonstrated effectiveness against sever outcomes, but they aren't perfect. Effectiveness against transmission is lower than sever outcomes, but is greater than zero. We've known all this since the second half of 2021. The paper you cite just explains why vaccines aren't generally very effective against transmission.
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
This paper never made the news, but it was released on 11Jan2023. Here's a cut and paste of excerpts.
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SARS-CoV-2, and RSV tend to have significantly shorter incubation periods (Table 1) and rapid courses of viral replication. They replicate predominantly in local mucosal tissue, without causing viremia, and do not significantly encounter the systemic immune system or the full force of adaptive immune responses, which take at least 5–7 days to mature, usually well after the peak of viral replication and onward transmission to others.
although genetic and antigenic variability of viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 make vaccine design more challenging, these factors by themselves cannot fully explain the lack of elicitation of long-term protective immunity against other respiratory mucosal viruses like the more phenotypically stable RSV. Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
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tl;dr version...
SARS-Cov-2 replicates in the nasal passages where it is sheltered from the full effects of the immune system. Thus, the person can become infected AND transmit the virus to others before the vaccine can interact with it.
Which makes taking something like a Povodine spray or Vicks First Defense or Xlear just a damn good idea. Of course we already knew that. But, but, but… we don’t have RCTs bro. This is tinfoil hat stuff bro. Take the vaccines, which are both safe and effective while we poo poo stuff that actually works, you dumb antivaxxer you. But, before we have the vaccines even available, go home until you get really sick, then come back when it’s time to put you on high dose Remdesivir and a ventilator/heavy sedative combo. Just trust us bro. We’re smarter than you. Arghhh!! These fools have quite literally killed or maimed millions of people.
By the way Fisky, did you know your natural immunity is NO good? We just don’t know how you’re still upright and talking. You’re a dumb and lucky son of a b*tch. Covid will get you eventually. Arghhh!!!!
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
This paper never made the news, but it was released on 11Jan2023. Here's a cut and paste of excerpts.
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SARS-CoV-2, and RSV tend to have significantly shorter incubation periods (Table 1) and rapid courses of viral replication. They replicate predominantly in local mucosal tissue, without causing viremia, and do not significantly encounter the systemic immune system or the full force of adaptive immune responses, which take at least 5–7 days to mature, usually well after the peak of viral replication and onward transmission to others.
although genetic and antigenic variability of viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 make vaccine design more challenging, these factors by themselves cannot fully explain the lack of elicitation of long-term protective immunity against other respiratory mucosal viruses like the more phenotypically stable RSV. Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
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tl;dr version...
SARS-Cov-2 replicates in the nasal passages where it is sheltered from the full effects of the immune system. Thus, the person can become infected AND transmit the virus to others before the vaccine can interact with it.
Against the original strain (longer incubation period) was controlled very well by vaccines (see: 90%+ efficacy vs infection in the trials). With later strains that 1) had mutated antigens 2) had shorter incubation periods (esp. omicron) it became very hard to control infection.
The article even discusses how this has been a problem with flu vaccines for decades too - but they still prevent hospitalization, severe disease, and death... which to most people are still good things.
By the way Fisky, did you know your natural immunity is NO good? We just don’t know how you’re still upright and talking. You’re a dumb and lucky son of a b*tch. Covid will get you eventually. Arghhh!!!!
What is the IFR for COVID? Why are you surprised someone survived COVID? Are you claiming that COVID infections are certain death?
This is a pretty stunning paper, co-authored by Anthony Fauci, that admits that the covid-19 vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. They DO NOT prevent transmission.
Let me say it again. In writing in a published paper, Fauci confirms what many of us have believed all along.
This paper never made the news, but it was released on 11Jan2023. Here's a cut and paste of excerpts.
-------
SARS-CoV-2, and RSV tend to have significantly shorter incubation periods (Table 1) and rapid courses of viral replication. They replicate predominantly in local mucosal tissue, without causing viremia, and do not significantly encounter the systemic immune system or the full force of adaptive immune responses, which take at least 5–7 days to mature, usually well after the peak of viral replication and onward transmission to others.
although genetic and antigenic variability of viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 make vaccine design more challenging, these factors by themselves cannot fully explain the lack of elicitation of long-term protective immunity against other respiratory mucosal viruses like the more phenotypically stable RSV. Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
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tl;dr version...
SARS-Cov-2 replicates in the nasal passages where it is sheltered from the full effects of the immune system. Thus, the person can become infected AND transmit the virus to others before the vaccine can interact with it.
Against the original strain (longer incubation period) was controlled very well by vaccines (see: 90%+ efficacy vs infection in the trials). With later strains that 1) had mutated antigens 2) had shorter incubation periods (esp. omicron) it became very hard to control infection.
The article even discusses how this has been a problem with flu vaccines for decades too - but they still prevent hospitalization, severe disease, and death... which to most people are still good things.
What is the IFR for COVID? Why are you surprised someone survived COVID? Are you claiming that COVID infections are certain death?
IFR 0.5% to 0.6% in mid-2020 according to Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins. Omicron was IFR 0.053% in late 2021 according to the University of Johannesburg. Omicron was about half as deadly as the typical seasonal flu.
I survived Covid as an unvaccinated person and was not surprised.
Covid infections usually resulted in survival, even in the worst days of early 2020.
Did you know that on December 31 2020, 99.86% of all Americans who should have been alive on that day were, in fact, alive ?
What is the IFR for COVID? Why are you surprised someone survived COVID? Are you claiming that COVID infections are certain death?
IFR 0.5% to 0.6% in mid-2020 according to Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins. Omicron was IFR 0.053% in late 2021 according to the University of Johannesburg. Omicron was about half as deadly as the typical seasonal flu.
I survived Covid as an unvaccinated person and was not surprised.
Covid infections usually resulted in survival, even in the worst days of early 2020.
Did you know that on December 31 2020, 99.86% of all Americans who should have been alive on that day were, in fact, alive ?
It’s not even about survival. If death is what mattered to these *scientists* as they so vocally promote, then we would’ve done a LOT more for people besides just sending them home until their O2 sat levels dipped so much that they then were *superb* candidates for Remdesivir and heavy sedation/ventilation/ECMO. Instead, they shouted from the rooftops “but no clinical trials bro” and mocked and ridiculed doctors who actually tried to help, as they are doing to this day, or people who didn’t conform to the narrative.
No, my satirical post is aimed at all manner of possible consequences of Covid, to which Fisky has very deficient immunity according to these geniuses, as do I. But, we are no worse for the wear, don’t seem to get Covid like all of our vaccinated peers, and are not vax injured like my buddy. So, now we will pivot to talking about Crohns and early onset dementia, supported by like one or two papers, because we absolutely must suffer. If not coercion, then shame and guilt. That’s the strategy.
To think that these guys think they are still relevant in some way, almost 30 months on…. But a “scientist” just HAS to be right and can’t accept that they got outsmarted by a “layperson.”
What is the IFR for COVID? Why are you surprised someone survived COVID? Are you claiming that COVID infections are certain death?
IFR 0.5% to 0.6% in mid-2020 according to Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins. Omicron was IFR 0.053% in late 2021 according to the University of Johannesburg. Omicron was about half as deadly as the typical seasonal flu.
Again, deadliness is the product of IFR and the number of persons infected.
Omicron was much more contagious than the flu and ultimately resulted in about 3 times as many US deaths as the most severe flu outbreak of the past 15 years because so many people were infected.
“That means that while KP.2 is proportionally the most predominant variant, it is not causing an increase in infections as transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is low," a CDC spokesperson told CBS News in a statement.
The strain also does not have large amounts of worrying changes, unlike some previously highly-mutated variants that have raised alarm in years past.“
“However, the swift change in circulating variants has resulted in the Food and Drug Administration this week delaying a key step in its process for picking out the strain to target with this fall's COVID-19 vaccines, citing the need for more "up-to-date" data.”
Against the original strain (longer incubation period) was controlled very well by vaccines (see: 90%+ efficacy vs infection in the trials). With later strains that 1) had mutated antigens 2) had shorter incubation periods (esp. omicron) it became very hard to control infection.
The article even discusses how this has been a problem with flu vaccines for decades too - but they still prevent hospitalization, severe disease, and death... which to most people are still good things.
😂
Take the L and move along.
Not possible. Humility is not in the playbook or, frankly, brain…
IFR 0.5% to 0.6% in mid-2020 according to Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins. Omicron was IFR 0.053% in late 2021 according to the University of Johannesburg. Omicron was about half as deadly as the typical seasonal flu.
Again, deadliness is the product of IFR and the number of persons infected.
Omicron was much more contagious than the flu and ultimately resulted in about 3 times as many US deaths as the most severe flu outbreak of the past 15 years because so many people were infected.
For some reason those deaths don't count.
I can't believe we are re-litigating vaccine efficacy with a paper from almost 18 months ago.
Not possible. Humility is not in the playbook or, frankly, brain…
Multiple clear explanations of why vaccines work on this last page. You and yolos just spam the same stuff in response OR change subject drastically rather than actually debate the facts.
Frankly it's childish and suggests you don't have a firm grasp of the facts or logic.
