Yes, antivaxxers would prefer that there was some magic plant root or expensive homeopathic supplement you could take that would work just as well as a vaccine. It never existed, though, and there really wasn't justification to get upset over that.
The reason there was not information about therapeutics or 'alternative measures' is that there was nothing that worked. However, there was a ton misinformation spread about random supplements, comically overhyped drug repurposing efforts (HCQ, IVM), and other things. The fact that mainstream science denigrated these things is a good -- they don't work -- and certainly not an excuse for antivaxxers to throw a tantrum and kill 300k Americans by spreading misinformation and propaganda.
Yes, antivaxxers would prefer that there was some magic plant root or expensive homeopathic supplement you could take that would work just as well as a vaccine. It never existed, though, and there really wasn't justification to get upset over that.
The reason there was not information about therapeutics or 'alternative measures' is that there was nothing that worked. However, there was a ton misinformation spread about random supplements, comically overhyped drug repurposing efforts (HCQ, IVM), and other things. The fact that mainstream science denigrated these things is a good -- they don't work -- and certainly not an excuse for antivaxxers to throw a tantrum and kill 300k Americans by spreading misinformation and propaganda.
36.3 million people have died from Aids. You remember that next time you're hammering a guys butthole because it's all on you.
“Why would the chief executive of a very large pharma company in Spain pay a huge fee (it was set based on ability to pay) and risk a long prison sentence to avoid taking a perfectly safe vaccine that will keep him from dying from COVID?”
As far as I can tell the dude is neither a doctor or a trained scientist. Unsurprising.
A little bit of research would’ve revealed that he has an undergrad in chemistry and a PhD in biochemistry, w almost 100 publications and/or patents. So… way more of a scientist than you. Just not a dogmatic, useful idiot, which is ironic since he heads a pharma company.
This test-negative, case-control analysis evaluates the association of symptomatic infection with prior vaccination with BNT162b2 to estimate vaccine effectiveness among children and adolescents during Omicron variant predomi...
So Twitter slapped an unsafe warning on JAMA because they published a peer-reviewed paper showing seriously waning vaccine efficacy in children. Unreal.
This test-negative, case-control analysis evaluates the association of symptomatic infection with prior vaccination with BNT162b2 to estimate vaccine effectiveness among children and adolescents during Omicron variant predomi...
So Twitter slapped an unsafe warning on JAMA because they published a peer-reviewed paper showing seriously waning vaccine efficacy in children. Unreal.
Twitter shouldn’t do that - I agree. But I wanna see a tweet where they actually did that? The findings of the study aren’t anything new or alarming. We know efficacy against symptomatic Omicron infection is poor.
Remember when Instagram censored Cochrane -- one of the most important organizations in the evidence-based medicine movement -- for covid wrongthink? Now Twitter has decided it doesn't like peer-reviewed papers in JAMA. Who needs science, since big tech knows The Science™️? https://t.co/rhBlCErvRi
— Jay Bhattacharya (@DrJBhattacharya) June 8, 2022
The antivaxxers seem to have pivoted to just manufacturing faux-outrage since their previous talking points have blown up? Like your content used to be at least entertaining…
As far as I can tell the dude is neither a doctor or a trained scientist. Unsurprising.
A little bit of research would’ve revealed that he has an undergrad in chemistry and a PhD in biochemistry, w almost 100 publications and/or patents. So… way more of a scientist than you. Just not a dogmatic, useful idiot, which is ironic since he heads a pharma company.
Oh you're right! I couldn't find it in the first few links.
Well, everyone knows that boomers lose touch with reality across the board. Quite telling that you guys have to reach for the 1/10,000 scientist that can't evaluate evidence accurately. I can't imagine what kind of toothpaste you all use lol. Gotta find the one with '1/10 doctors approve'
The appeals to scientific authority from you antivaxxers fail totally because you ignore the science 99% of the time.
I click through the link and don’t see a warning? Again, faux-outrage … I don’t get it. I’m not super interesting in the clickbait social media economy.
If we are debating something Twitter did at one point as support for your anti-vax arguments. Doesn’t that seem a like grasping at straws?
A little bit of research would’ve revealed that he has an undergrad in chemistry and a PhD in biochemistry, w almost 100 publications and/or patents. So… way more of a scientist than you. Just not a dogmatic, useful idiot, which is ironic since he heads a pharma company.
Oh you're right! I couldn't find it in the first few links.
Well, everyone knows that boomers lose touch with reality across the board. Quite telling that you guys have to reach for the 1/10,000 scientist that can't evaluate evidence accurately. I can't imagine what kind of toothpaste you all use lol. Gotta find the one with '1/10 doctors approve'
The appeals to scientific authority from you antivaxxers fail totally because you ignore the science 99% of the time.
It’s important to only pay attention to authority (and appeal to that authority) who directly support my oddly, universally, unorthodox views… strange…
I am not seeing this on Twitter. I suspect this is specific to antivaxxers' accounts. Wise economic choice by Twitter to deliver them the bubble the desire: Scientific journals and the scientific establishment are dangerous and not to be trusted.
All you have to is click the link provided by the poster who the doctor linked to and it clearly ascribes it an unsafe warning. Not faux-outrage, just stupid censorship on the part of Twitter using a sleazy malware warning.
You guys seriously lose credibility when you call someone like myself an anti-vaxxer and a boomer, since neither are true, and you know it.
But, when I was in my 20s and lacked wisdom, I just “had to be right” all the time too.
All you have to is click the link provided by the poster who the doctor linked to and it clearly ascribes it an unsafe warning. Not faux-outrage, just stupid censorship on the part of Twitter using a sleazy malware warning.
You guys seriously lose credibility when you call someone like myself an anti-vaxxer and a boomer, since neither are true, and you know it.
But, when I was in my 20s and lacked wisdom, I just “had to be right” all the time too.
I never called you a boomer. I called that Spanish exec a boomer because he is one (or maybe older?).
You are certainly an antivaxxer so I don't have any qualms saying that.
I clicked the link and I saw no such warning on Twitter. I suspect it is account specific as I was saying.
All you have to is click the link provided by the poster who the doctor linked to and it clearly ascribes it an unsafe warning. Not faux-outrage, just stupid censorship on the part of Twitter using a sleazy malware warning.
You guys seriously lose credibility when you call someone like myself an anti-vaxxer and a boomer, since neither are true, and you know it.
But, when I was in my 20s and lacked wisdom, I just “had to be right” all the time too.
I see his screenshot but I don’t see any warning on his actual tweet? Maybe his account is screened? It’s up to Twitter. Again discussing this social media BS has no bearing on the data.
All you have to is click the link provided by the poster who the doctor linked to and it clearly ascribes it an unsafe warning. Not faux-outrage, just stupid censorship on the part of Twitter using a sleazy malware warning.
You guys seriously lose credibility when you call someone like myself an anti-vaxxer and a boomer, since neither are true, and you know it.
But, when I was in my 20s and lacked wisdom, I just “had to be right” all the time too.
I never called you a boomer. I called that Spanish exec a boomer because he is one (or maybe older?).
You are certainly an antivaxxer so I don't have any qualms saying that.
I clicked the link and I saw no such warning on Twitter. I suspect it is account specific as I was saying.
You’ve referred to me as a boomer multiple times on here, which is funny if you knew me. I am not anti-vax or a “denier” as so many on here have promoted, which is just reckless and immature. I am, however, opposed to the vaccine for certain demographics. This is quite true.
Jefe in CO put up a good post, and the nuance he referred to is some of what you guys are missing. For example, if somebody unwittingly defended against both Delta and BA 1.12.1, then that is a different calculus than a naive person or, perhaps, a once Delta-infected person evaluating hybrid immunity. It doesn’t matter that you think that approach is stupid and not data-driven. It has already and happened and there are more and more data points showing that hybrid immunity doesn’t even work against the newest variants. Frankly, we may very well find out in time that convalescence against Delta and BA 1.12.1 confers the broadest immunity of all, discounting serum antibody studies, if, in fact we care to look.
We have therapeutics for people in low risk groups unwilling to be vaxxed. Yes Paxlovid and Fluvoxamine but others that you would denigrate. My own Harvard-trained MD suggested a saline nasal wash and a listerine gargle at a minimum as prophylaxis/early treatment, but I can think of lots of other superior substances to use in the nasal cavity and esophagus.