Newbury Park all time top 7?

1. Nico Young, c/o 2019 (13:50 5000, 7:56 3000, NXN Champion)

2. Colin Sahlman, c/o 2022 (14:03 5k xc, 4:04 mile, 8:43 3200, Runninglane Nationals Champion)

3. Leo Young, c/o 2023 (13:39 3m xc, 14:05 5k xc, 4:07 mile)

4. Lex Young, c/o 2023 (14:05 5k xc, 4:08 mile, 8:43 3200)

5. Aaron Sahlman c/o 2023 (14:15 5k xc, 4:09 mile, 13:42 3m xc)

6. Jeff Wilson, c/o 1991 (CA D3 state champion, Footlocker Nationals qualifier)

7. Jace Aschbrenner, c/o 2019 (8:44 3200m, 14:53 at state meet)

Damn, imagine your 7th guy running 8:44

blobfish wrote:

1. Nico Young, c/o 2019 (13:50 5000, 7:56 3000, NXN Champion)

2. Colin Sahlman, c/o 2022 (14:03 5k xc, 4:04 mile, 8:43 3200, Runninglane Nationals Champion)

3. Leo Young, c/o 2023 (13:39 3m xc, 14:05 5k xc, 4:07 mile)

4. Lex Young, c/o 2023 (14:05 5k xc, 4:08 mile, 8:43 3200)

5. Aaron Sahlman c/o 2023 (14:15 5k xc, 4:09 mile, 13:42 3m xc)

6. Jeff Wilson, c/o 1991 (CA D3 state champion, Footlocker Nationals qualifier)

7. Jace Aschbrenner, c/o 2019 (8:44 3200m, 14:53 at state meet)

Wilson finished 2nd in FL.

njkm wrote:

blobfish wrote:

1. Nico Young, c/o 2019 (13:50 5000, 7:56 3000, NXN Champion)

2. Colin Sahlman, c/o 2022 (14:03 5k xc, 4:04 mile, 8:43 3200, Runninglane Nationals Champion)

3. Leo Young, c/o 2023 (13:39 3m xc, 14:05 5k xc, 4:07 mile)

4. Lex Young, c/o 2023 (14:05 5k xc, 4:08 mile, 8:43 3200)

5. Aaron Sahlman c/o 2023 (14:15 5k xc, 4:09 mile, 13:42 3m xc)

6. Jeff Wilson, c/o 1991 (CA D3 state champion, Footlocker Nationals qualifier)

7. Jace Aschbrenner, c/o 2019 (8:44 3200m, 14:53 at state meet)

Wilson finished 2nd in FL.

So then probably move him up to the 5th spot. I think any one of the top 4 could've won Footlocker individually.

Nico Young. 14:28.50. ...

Jace Aschbrenner. 14:53.70. ...

Colin Sahlman. 15:09.80. ...

Nicholas Goldstein. 15:17.00. ...

Lex Young. 15:37.00. 238. Average Time: 15:05.20 Total Time: 1:15:26.00 1-5 Split: 1:08.50.

Daniel Appleford. 15:37.70. 246.

Leo Young.

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A more interesting question would be, which states have had a guy who could make their top 7?" Betting less than 1/2.

Bower Man wrote:

A more interesting question would be, which states have had a guy who could make their top 7?" Betting less than 1/2.

Its way more than half. Especially if you count states that have had multiple guys that could make their top seven.

I don't think you realize how many states haven't even had a guy break 9.

Bower Man wrote:

I don't think you realize how many states haven't even had a guy break 9.

I just looked at the all time top ten( just the top ten) high school lists for the mile, two mile, 3k, 5k, and 10k. No less than 15 states were represented. There were would be plenty more if I had dug deeper or counted doubles in come states (Fisher and Ritz) for example in Michigan. Throw in Hocker-IN, Rheinhardt-FL, Solinsky-WI, Tebo-NM, Goucher-CO. Almost all these runner have PR's faster than NP number 1 guy, be it the mile or two mile. So they wouldn't have any problem making the top seven. Thats 20 states already and that's after a 30 sec google search. I'm sure there are way more states if you care to do the work. Maybe a better question is could NP beat an all CA team?

Fernandez, Jeff Nelson, Meb, Marc Davis, Cooper Teare, Ryan Hall.......whoever else you want to throw in.

Multiple guys from some states has nothing to do with the fact that 1/2 of the states have no runners who would have made their top 7.

I just gave you a list of twenty. I'm sure there are at least six more out there.

No.

All-CA team wins handily. But kudos to NP for making that a serious question.

Bower Man wrote:

No.

UH--Yes and here they are: Mahoney-GA, Pyrah-MIssouri, Finnerty-MN, Hamilton-Montana, Springer-RI, Engels-NC.

Thats 26 states that have had guys with pr's faster than NP #1. Also all of these states have had someone break 9:00 min for 3200.

4:59 wrote:

Bower Man wrote:

No.

UH--Yes and here they are: Mahoney-GA, Pyrah-MIssouri, Finnerty-MN, Hamilton-Montana, Springer-RI, Engels-NC.

Thats 26 states that have had guys with pr's faster than NP #1. Also all of these states have had someone break 9:00 min for 3200.

We're talking about cross country here, right? Many sub-9 and sub 4:10 guys wouldn't make this team, just because they were much better on the track than on grass and dirt. Engels, for example, had a 5k PR of 15:33 and got 3rd at the NC state meet his senior year, so he obviously wouldn't be better than anybody on NP's all-time top 7.

blobfish wrote:

4:59 wrote:

[quote]Bower Man wrote:

No.

UH--Yes and here they are: Mahoney-GA, Pyrah-MIssouri, Finnerty-MN, Hamilton-Montana, Springer-RI, Engels-NC.

Thats 26 states that have had guys with pr's faster than NP #1. Also all of these states have had someone break 9:00 min for 3200.

We're talking about cross country here, right? Many sub-9 and sub 4:10 guys wouldn't make this team, just because they were much better on the track than on grass and dirt. Engels, for example, had a 5k PR of 15:33 and got 3rd at the NC state meet his senior year, so he obviously wouldn't be better than anybody on NP's all-time top 7.[/quote

Normally that would make sense. But we can't compare X-country times for obvious reasons unless they all ran the same course. So by default all we can compare is track times. I tend to agree with you though on the Engels thing.

I think there are very few states that do not have at least one guy that would make the team. There are some people I am missing, certainly and I stopped going when I realized I hit 25+:

AK - Trevor Dunbar

AZ - Billy Orman

CO - Adam Goucher

CA - German Fernandez

CT - Gavin Sherry

GA - Kirubel Erassa

IA - Mark Johnson

ID - Nathan Green

IL - Lukas Verzbicas

IN - Rudy Chapa

KS - Jim Ryun

KY - Bobby Curtis

MA - Abdirizak Mohammed

MD - Solomon Haile / Matt Centrowitz

ME - Ben True

MI - Dathan Ritzenhein

MN - Garry Bjorklund (Garrett Heath? Hassan Mead?)

MO - Matt Tegenkamp

NC - Matt DeBole

ND - Corey Ihmels

NH - Matt Downin

NJ - Edward Cheserek

NY - Josh McDougal

PA - Craig Miller (?) Dan Coval, Paul Springer

OH - Bob Kennedy

OK - Ben Barrett

OR - Steve Prefontaine

SD - Billy Mills / Greg Jimmerson

TN - Andrew Bumbalough

TX - Reuben Reina

UT - Casey Clinger

VA - Alan Webb

WA - Gerry Lindgren

WI - Chris Solinsky

WV - Steve Taylor

I didn't get far. Mark Johnson IA?

blobfish wrote:

1. Nico Young, c/o 2019 (13:50 5000, 7:56 3000, NXN Champion)

2. Colin Sahlman, c/o 2022 (14:03 5k xc, 4:04 mile, 8:43 3200, Runninglane Nationals Champion)

3. Leo Young, c/o 2023 (13:39 3m xc, 14:05 5k xc, 4:07 mile)

4. Lex Young, c/o 2023 (14:05 5k xc, 4:08 mile, 8:43 3200)

5. Aaron Sahlman c/o 2023 (14:15 5k xc, 4:09 mile, 13:42 3m xc)

6. Jeff Wilson, c/o 1991 (CA D3 state champion, Footlocker Nationals qualifier)

7. Jace Aschbrenner, c/o 2019 (8:44 3200m, 14:53 at state meet)

Nothing wrong with this list, but Appleford runs 8:56 was was playing catchup this past fall with an illness and doesn't even make it. I gotta think he goes sub 15 on the state meet course. How far...no idea. But that's a deep Nasty 7 there. Would've been curious to see how Aschbrenner would've run without the 2020 track season being shortened due to COVID. That goes for NY too.