Anyone else impressed on Kiplimo outkicking Ingebrigtsen on their 3000m ?

it is impressive but would be similar to Bekele out kicking Lagat in a 3k. I don't know if this would stun anybody

absolutely. But it will probably never happen again.

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absolutely. But it will probably never happen again.

As long as future 3000m races are raced at sub-7:30 pace through 2500m, it can happen and will happen. Of course if pace were 7:45 plus through 2500m, Ingebrigtsen would have a significant opportunity to win.

Lol. I'll save this thread for future reference. If Kiplimo had done that this year I would have been more impressed but no, that did not happen and will never happen now with a fully developed Jakob. 19 year old Jakob just wanted a fast time in a 3000 and thats what he got. If you look at his facial expression he just didnt give a damn Kiplimo was overtaking near the close. Kiplimo was redlining at 100% while Jakob was just cruising in at 80%.

7:27 is not impressive to Jakob. When he starts going for that 7:20 Kiplimo will be nowhere n the vicinity.

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Lol. I'll save this thread for future reference. If Kiplimo had done that this year I would have been more impressed but no, that did not happen and will never happen now with a fully developed Jakob. 19 year old Jakob just wanted a fast time in a 3000 and thats what he got. If you look at his facial expression he just didnt give a damn Kiplimo was overtaking near the close. Kiplimo was redlining at 100% while Jakob was just cruising in at 80%.

7:27 is not impressive to Jakob. When he starts going for that 7:20 Kiplimo will be nowhere n the vicinity.

Jacob Kiplimo broke Jakob’s spirit. If Jacob does a speed cycle, will put Jakob away earlier (200m to go)

Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.

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Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.

I know you’re probably trolling but just in case you aren’t…

Jacob is a world champion and a world record holder, which compares favorably to an Oly gold for Jakob. He also beat Jakob in their one head to head race. Their PRs at the in-between distances from their specialties (3k and 5k) are nearly identical, with Jacob having the slight edge. Both won their 12:48 race in dominant fashion against a strong field, so arguing that Jakob “could” have run faster is a moot point (the same could be said about Jacob).

They are clearly the top two talents of their generation, but the truth is if you really want to get down to it, there is no good argument that Jakob is better than Jacob. Not to mention, Jacob has had to content for world and Olympic titles with the 5k/10k WR holder, the former half marathon WR holder (before he himself broke it), and the U20 5k WR holder. Meanwhile, Jakob only has to beat Tim Cheruiyot, a great runner but not an all-time great like Chep, plus a few 3:29-3:30 runners with nothing else special about them.

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Lol. Kiplimo is a no name. Jakob accomplished 1000x more than Kiplimo did up until this point. If your dear Kiplimo could do one of your mythical speed cycles and beat Jakob in a 1500 then he would have tried. But he knows better.

Dumb

The copium in this thread is so funny. So many excuses.

The 3000 should be Kiplimo's worst event, yet he beat Yakob.

Yakob's age is irrelevant, Kiplimo is YOUNGER than Yakob. It doesnt matter if Yakob was 19, or 20, or whatever age, Kiplimo is younger.

Yes, it can and will happen again because Kiplimo is hands down the most promising young talent in mens distance running right now.

Kiplimo has accomplished more at his age than Yakob has, despite being younger. Kiplimo has medals at World Championships, Olympics, and World Records.

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Jacob has had to content for world and Olympic titles with the 5k/10k WR holder, the former half marathon WR holder (before he himself broke it), and the U20 5k WR holder. Meanwhile, Jakob only has to beat Tim Cheruiyot, a great runner but not an all-time great like Chep, plus a few 3:29-3:30 runners with nothing else special about them.

This is almost word for word the same argument i made a few months ago. Not saying you saw me post that, but just glad someone else thinks the same.

Kiplimo has way more top heavy competition. He has (or had) WR holders blocking his path to success at every distance. 5000, 10000, half marathon, full marathon, every event has an active WR holder which Kiplimo would have to beat in order for him to become champion. Thats exactly what he did in the HM, he dethroned a WR holder.

Im a huge fan of Timothy, but hes no El G. Hes no Bekele, hes no Kipchoge. Hes no Cheptegei. Kiplimo has to beat WR holders and become a WR holder himself just to win, Yakob does not. Yakobs not competing against any miler who is anywhere near El Gerrouj level right now. So his path to success is way easier than Kiplimo's because there is no El G level runner blocking him at the top.

I'm pretty sure you're trolling as well so I'll go with this crazed write up.

Ok, so Kiplimo has some meaningless titles and you think that that is above winning a friggin gold medal at the Olympics?? In record time?? You're nutzz! There's a reason why Jakobs stock has grown exponentially globally and hardly anyone knows about Kiplimo. Jakob only had to beat Cheriyout?? Uhh, I think there was a guy called Kerr who is also one of the fastest ever at the event who happened to finish in about the same time as Cheriyout. Did you watch the race??

Little Kiplimo had to beat Cheptegei, only thing is he they BOTH lost to a non name called Barega and almost got caught by American Fisher. Repeat after me, "Kiplimo is nothing"

Guess where Kiplimo was in the 5000? Should we even go there to save him from further embarassment??

a "no name" Barega...

Lol posters on this site struggle to make points without crapping on athletes

a no name Barega???? hilarious

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The copium in this thread is so funny. So many excuses.

The 3000 should be Kiplimo's worst event, yet he beat Yakob.

Yakob's age is irrelevant, Kiplimo is YOUNGER than Yakob. It doesnt matter if Yakob was 19, or 20, or whatever age, Kiplimo is younger.

Yes, it can and will happen again because Kiplimo is hands down the most promising young talent in mens distance running right now.

Kiplimo has accomplished more at his age than Yakob has, despite being younger. Kiplimo has medals at World Championships, Olympics, and World Records.

It doesn't matter what fake age Kiplimo is, he is nowhere near what Jakob is now. Kiplimo is promising in perhaps some unimportant distances but where he should be excelling he is clearly outclassed. In what should have been Kiplimos best event, the 10000 he was destroyed by Barega and is barely better than Fisher. In the 5000 he is absolutely out of his league even with the mediocre talent that showed up. Jakob is so far ahead of Kiplimos right now its unbelievable. Face the facts. Jakob is now a superstar while Kiplimo is a has been flash in the pan.

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Ok, so Kiplimo has some meaningless titles and you think that that is above winning a friggin gold medal at the Olympics????

Yes. The gold medal is overrated. Kiplimo's HM WR is more impressive than anything Yakob has accomplished so far, by a substantial margin. And Kiplimo has WC and Olympic medals too.

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The copium in this thread is so funny. So many excuses.

The 3000 should be Kiplimo's worst event, yet he beat Yakob.

Yakob's age is irrelevant, Kiplimo is YOUNGER than Yakob. It doesnt matter if Yakob was 19, or 20, or whatever age, Kiplimo is younger.

Yes, it can and will happen again because Kiplimo is hands down the most promising young talent in mens distance running right now.

Kiplimo has accomplished more at his age than Yakob has, despite being younger. Kiplimo has medals at World Championships, Olympics, and World Records.

THe 3000 should be Kiplimo's worst event?

Top 10 3k runners all-time:

Komen: a 12:39 5000

Geb: 12:39 to 58:55

Bekele: 12:37 to 2:01:41

Kejelcha: 12:46 to 59:05

Mourhit: 12:46 to 26:52

This is an event where distance runners and mid distance runners lock horns on a level playing field. There is absolutely nothing that says it should be Kiplimo's worst distance.

The greatest marathoner of all-time is also a 7:27.xx man

Jakob does not have a great kick. Don’t let all-out races fool you on this. The one time he beat Tim in the last 100 was when Tims hamstring was battered and he couldn’t kick. Kiplimo has a pretty good kick when he doesn’t misjudge it. 3,000 is probably the lowest he can go.

Regarding the 3000m being Kiplimo'a worst event, I say that because between the 5k, 10k, 15k, Half, Marathon, and the 3k

the 3k is where he should be the least competitive given that his strongest distance is somewhere around the length of a half marathon. However good his range is (and it is great) you would expect his next best events to be the marathon and 10,000. Then from there, theres no reason why hed be stronger in the 3000 over the 5000, and certainly not over any distance longer than 5000.

The 3000m top 10 list being full of long distance runners doesnt disprove my point, it actually backs it.

My point is not that Kiplimo sucks at the 3000, my point is that he's BETTER at nearly everything else he does or at least should have more potential in everything else. The same is true for all those long distance runners who are in the 3000m top 10. Theyre great 3k runners, but they were even better at nearly everything else.

Compare that to a miler. If youre a miler, the 3k should be your second best, or maybe even your best event outright (though you might care about it less than the 5k). Thats just not the case if youre a long distance runner though.

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The 3000m top 10 list being full of long distance runners doesnt disprove my point, it actually backs it.

My point is not that Kiplimo sucks at the 3000, my point is that he's BETTER at nearly everything else he does or at least should have more potential in everything else. The same is true for all those long distance runners who are in the 3000m top 10. Theyre great 3k runners, but they were even better at nearly everything else.

Compare that to a miler. If youre a miler, the 3k should be your second best, or maybe even your best event outright (though you might care about it less than the 5k). Thats just not the case if youre a long distance runner though.

The point is that 3k is as much a distance event as mid distance event. there is no advantage for a mid d over d runner. Perhaps the opposite.

Look at Komen vs El Guerrouj for example. World record 5000 vs world record1500. the 5000 man easily wins in the 3000 in this case.

distance runners have more range than mid d runners. this is accepted. sprinters have a range of a few hundred meters. mid d guys typically have a range of a few thousand meters. distance runners have a range 1000s and 1000s of meters. Some guys like Farah may blur the lines a bit, but this is generally how it goes.