I'm guessing 5:05. Does that sound right?
I'm guessing 5:05. Does that sound right?
5:10 or 5:15 if willing to steeplechase.
prospective coach wrote:
I'm guessing 5:05. Does that sound right?
In other words, what’s the minimum requirement to walk on to BYU or NC State.
It may be as fast as 4:55 some years if a top team roster is full.
For the best teams in the nation 5:05 alone would not be enough. Consistent top 10 teams would maybe consider 5:05 only if they thought the athlete was very undertrained with hugh upside.
dupq wrote:
prospective coach wrote:
I'm guessing 5:05. Does that sound right?
In other words, what’s the minimum requirement to walk on to BYU or NC State.
For BYU, it's 3x1 mile at 5:50, with an 800m jog recovery. A 5:20 girl could probably do it:
https://universe.byu.edu/2002/04/17/walkon-goes-the-distance-for-byu-track-team/Byu doesn't have nearly the depth that n c state or Arkansas does. N c State probably has 20 girls that can go faster than 505 at the 1600. How many at byu?
It would all depend on situation why would a girl who could get a scholarship somewhere else want to go to such a competitive School. If it was really like a logistic thing and she happen to live right near there and it just worked out perfectly I'm sure most coaches would let someone who was in that range practice with the team
Especially if they're not looking for any money out of it. But a lot would also depend on who the person was and how they fit in with the team what there potential was and what other events they could maybe run
Utah wrote:
dupq wrote:
In other words, what’s the minimum requirement to walk on to BYU or NC State.
For BYU, it's 3x1 mile at 5:50, with an 800m jog recovery. A 5:20 girl could probably do it:
https://universe.byu.edu/2002/04/17/walkon-goes-the-distance-for-byu-track-team/
This actually sounds pretty tough. Maybe if you didn't have to do the jog recovery but. You're saying to jog in 800 m is between each mile. If you just got to rest between the miles maybe a520 could do it but with that set-up I think a 5-minute mile or would potentially struggle to hit three 550's in a row. I'm talkin to Lifetime PR i mean most people aren't going to hit their lifetime PR on most days. I think it would take a girl with at least a low 505 lifetime PR to hit that especially since it's like 5 Seconds tougher to do a mile than a 1600
I know a 5:06/11:09 runner who was able to walk on to Wisconsin in the past decade. They are a perennial top-15 program.
Yes my daughter has run 5:00 but couldn't do 2x5:50.
MidFootStriker wrote:
Utah wrote:
For BYU, it's 3x1 mile at 5:50, with an 800m jog recovery. A 5:20 girl could probably do it:
https://universe.byu.edu/2002/04/17/walkon-goes-the-distance-for-byu-track-team/This actually sounds pretty tough. Maybe if you didn't have to do the jog recovery but. You're saying to jog in 800 m is between each mile. If you just got to rest between the miles maybe a520 could do it but with that set-up I think a 5-minute mile or would potentially struggle to hit three 550's in a row. I'm talkin to Lifetime PR i mean most people aren't going to hit their lifetime PR on most days. I think it would take a girl with at least a low 505 lifetime PR to hit that especially since it's like 5 Seconds tougher to do a mile than a 1600
I actually had the opposite take about this one. 800m is a long, long recovery. Also, it’s weird that there is a distance for the recovery and not a time. Basically, could someone just stroll through that part in 5-6 min? Someone with a decent aerobic base is nearly fully recovered from that.
I’m a 5:08 miler this year, so while slow, fit into this category. I often do a 4 x 1 mile workout with 60s rest, and the mile times are like 6:00- 6:10. If I got an 800m recovery, even if I had to go 8 min pace for that portion, I have confidence that the workout you describe would be totally doable. And my 5k time (and higher distance ones) falls off considerably, so I‘m not particularly slow twitch or anything.
My guess would be a 5:10-5:20 girl could do this, possibly even 5:25 if her endurance is better than speed.
Many can't which is why they want it.
silvery gold wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
This actually sounds pretty tough. Maybe if you didn't have to do the jog recovery but. You're saying to jog in 800 m is between each mile. If you just got to rest between the miles maybe a520 could do it but with that set-up I think a 5-minute mile or would potentially struggle to hit three 550's in a row. I'm talkin to Lifetime PR i mean most people aren't going to hit their lifetime PR on most days. I think it would take a girl with at least a low 505 lifetime PR to hit that especially since it's like 5 Seconds tougher to do a mile than a 1600
I actually had the opposite take about this one. 800m is a long, long recovery. Also, it’s weird that there is a distance for the recovery and not a time. Basically, could someone just stroll through that part in 5-6 min? Someone with a decent aerobic base is nearly fully recovered from that.
I’m a 5:08 miler this year, so while slow, fit into this category. I often do a 4 x 1 mile workout with 60s rest, and the mile times are like 6:00- 6:10. If I got an 800m recovery, even if I had to go 8 min pace for that portion, I have confidence that the workout you describe would be totally doable. And my 5k time (and higher distance ones) falls off considerably, so I‘m not particularly slow twitch or anything.
My guess would be a 5:10-5:20 girl could do this, possibly even 5:25 if her endurance is better than speed.
I guess my main point is that there's going to be a pretty big difference between someone's lifetime PR and what they're necessarily capable of doing on any given day. Especially with a high school girl miler. Let's say she does have a lifetime PR of 520. Within a couple years of doing that there's going to be a pretty big swing potentially of what she's capable of. So maybe on any given day she's only capable of doing a 5:30. So if you're going to ask that person to do three back-to-back 5:45, and to jog 800m between them. No way that is happening. Now if she's capable of doing 5:15 on that giving day oh, and she's got a great aerobic as base, or even a very good base then sure.
Yeah so my main point is more that Lifetime PR and what kind of shape you're currently in can be pretty different.
There's a reasonable chance you can contribute, then any coach in the country will take you especially if you're not looking for money. If you can keep up and have a good attitude. I think coaches will give you a shot. What is the motivation when there are other options
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Utah wrote:
dupq wrote:
In other words, what’s the minimum requirement to walk on to BYU or NC State.
For BYU, it's 3x1 mile at 5:50, with an 800m jog recovery. A 5:20 girl could probably do it:
https://universe.byu.edu/2002/04/17/walkon-goes-the-distance-for-byu-track-team/
That's a story from 2002. Any chance it has changed?
granted i am very different from a potential byu women's walkon, but there's no way i could break 5 right now. however, 3x5:50 with 800mm recovery would be a pretty easy threshold workout. it's interesting what happens to us old men as we lose our speed. part of that is definitely that i don't do mile-specific work, but also i think the compression between threshold pace and current all-out mile pace is pretty funny (and a little sad lol)
prospective coach wrote:
I'm guessing 5:05. Does that sound right?
BYU has three signees featured on their instagram who have 5:00+ 1600 PRs.
They would almost certainly take a 5:05 walk on if they are a good team fit.
They might even turn them into an NCAA champ.
Whittni Orton's HS PR was a 5:05 1600.
Anna Camp's was 5:07.
Yes but every school wouldn't take one. I doubt NC State or Stanford would take anyone slower than 4:55.
Daddy overdo wrote:
Yes my daughter has run 5:00 but couldn't do 2x5:50.
Really? In HS I was a 4:20 miler. Doing 3x1mile with an 800m jog in between in 4:50 (+30 seconds each mile) would be an absolute CAKE WALK.