Having just wanted Jakob winning the Euro XC yesterday and not to long ago seeing Mantz win NCAA, it got me wondering how the two would compare on a [not-flat] 10K XC course.
I know XC courses are approximate distances, but with Mantz running 28:33, do we believe Jakob could hang for that long a race on the grass?
(apologies if I missed some threads about anything like this yesterday)
They would obviously finish behind the top 3 NP guys.
Jakob would crush Mantz.
From what i'm seeing, pretty sure Jakob would put 25 seconds on Mantz in a XC 10k. Mantz may not beat the top 3 French guys from that race this past weekend.
Jakob EZ
People have been saying that the top NP boys are as good as NCAA guys. Does that mean they would lose by 30 seconds to JI?
LondonLocal wrote:
Having just wanted Jakob winning the Euro XC yesterday and not to long ago seeing Mantz win NCAA, it got me wondering how the two would compare on a [not-flat] 10K XC course.
I know XC courses are approximate distances, but with Mantz running 28:33, do we believe Jakob could hang for that long a race on the grass?
(apologies if I missed some threads about anything like this yesterday)
Jacob has a huge advantage in the 5000m and I don't see Mantz making it up over 10000m. From my observations, most elite runners are equally good on hilly courses.
LondonLocal wrote:
Having just wanted Jakob winning the Euro XC yesterday and not to long ago seeing Mantz win NCAA, it got me wondering how the two would compare on a [not-flat] 10K XC course.
I know XC courses are approximate distances, but with Mantz running 28:33, do we believe Jakob could hang for that long a race on the grass?
(apologies if I missed some threads about anything like this yesterday)
Conner Mantz is comparable to Carlos Mayo.
Mantz has pr of 3:37/13:24/27:41/1:02:59
Mayo has pr of 3:36/13:18/27:25/1:00:06
Mayo finished 11th yesterday.
I would still give the edge to Mantz in cross country because it seems to be his speciality, but you have to be kidding if you think mantz would have dropped jakob yesterday.
He would have been lucky to be top 10, and I'm not even exaggerating.
Olympic champion Jakob is younger than the 25 year old college junior mantz was as a freshman all those years ago.
Jakob v Mantz is a laughable match up at any distance if Jakob has been training for that distance. Give Jakob 6 months of the proper training and the appropriate match up would be Jakob v Kiplimo over 10K xc.
Kiplimo would drop both of them with 5k to go.
XC is probably Mantz's biggest strength, and he would still get crushed. As good as he is, he's shown nothing to prove he's at that level.
OozmaKappa wrote:
Kiplimo would drop both of them with 5k to go.
Why are you so sure Jakob doesn’t have what it takes to be well under 27 for 10K with the proper training and focus? At 5K he and Kiplimo are in a dead heat, right? My impression is that whatever is asked of Jakob, he delivers despite the doubters. A really fast 10K doesn’t seem like a big stretch.
I didnt know we were factoring a shift in focus into these hypothetical matchups lol. Even then, I'd only expect him to get a few seconds under 27. I'd sooner believe Kiplimo can run a 3:28 than that Yakob can run a 26:30.
OozmaKappa wrote:
I didnt know we were factoring a shift in focus into these hypothetical matchups lol. Even then, I'd only expect him to get a few seconds under 27. I'd sooner believe Kiplimo can run a 3:28 than that Yakob can run a 26:30.
Well, I hope at least they can square off in the 5K in Eugene. The schedule should allow it. Jakob should be able to meaningfully compete with Kiplimo, Barega, Cheptegei, et al over that distance.
OozmaKappa wrote:
I didnt know we were factoring a shift in focus into these hypothetical matchups lol. Even then, I'd only expect him to get a few seconds under 27. I'd sooner believe Kiplimo can run a 3:28 than that Yakob can run a 26:30.
Jakob could run under 27 today.
If you don't believe that whatch his 10k 27:54 face, when he was 18, during the off season, totally alone, without warm-up, starting at the back of the pack and having to close a really big gap just to run with the leaders (he arrived late to the race, could not warm up, and was last on the start line, he didn't even have the time to remove his jacket before and had to remove it during the race). Once he catched up, he just ran a tempo with a really really fast last km and that was enough to run 27:54.
That guy is pure strength, last year he was running 3:28 off a 1:46 800, even his training is mainly years and years of threshold reps under 2:50km, twice a day, three times a week.
There is absolutely no doubt he would run under 26:30 with some preparation.
You're not going to agree but you'll see in the future.
I'd sooner believe Kiplimo could run 3:26
Seppo Kaitenenn wrote:
Jakob would crush Mantz.
Yep, Jakob would win easily.
Letsbereal wrote:
Conner Mantz is comparable to Carlos Mayo.
Mantz has pr of 3:37/13:24/27:41/1:02:59
Mayo has pr of 3:36/13:18/27:25/1:00:06
Mayo finished 11th yesterday.
I would still give the edge to Mantz in cross country because it seems to be his speciality, but you have to be kidding if you think mantz would have dropped jakob yesterday.
He would have been lucky to be top 10, and I'm not even exaggerating.
Exactly right. He ain't top 10. Newbury Park, of course sweeps the top 5.
Wise Old Man wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Kiplimo would drop both of them with 5k to go.
Why are you so sure Jakob doesn’t have what it takes to be well under 27 for 10K with the proper training and focus? At 5K he and Kiplimo are in a dead heat, right? My impression is that whatever is asked of Jakob, he delivers despite the doubters. A really fast 10K doesn’t seem like a big stretch.
Jakob would have to loose 15 pounds to beat Kipling over 10k xc