Jacob Ingebrigtsen wins Euro cross, 30:15, Julien Wanders 63rd, 33:13

Solid run by Jakob, probably could have gone much faster if pushed at the end. But good for him for mixing up his racing schedule with an XC race.

Yup, Schrub has more upside than anyone else here. Hopefully wont lose him to the medical world.

Mean while what are our top milers/5000m runners doing? Avoiding XC. One thing US pros should put more emphasis on is XC, change my mind.

Whats so courageous about leading for a few minutes and finishing 63rd?

Sounds dumb more than brave.

Cheers for hat Ghost

stay hard wrote:

Mean while what are our top milers/5000m runners doing? Avoiding XC. One thing US pros should put more emphasis on is XC, change my mind.

And so is the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world:

Cheruiyot

Kerr

Mcsweyn

Wightman

Hoare

Cheptegei

Ahmed

Kimeli

Knight

Katir

It won’t change your mind, but at least you’ll see that the majority of the world’s top 15/5 guys are not running xc this year. Only a select few like JI and Kiplimo.

hill and dale wrote:

stay hard wrote:

Mean while what are our top milers/5000m runners doing? Avoiding XC. One thing US pros should put more emphasis on is XC, change my mind.

And so is the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world:

Cheruiyot

Kerr

Mcsweyn

Wightman

Hoare

Cheptegei

Ahmed

Kimeli

Knight

Katir

It won’t change your mind, but at least you’ll see that the majority of the world’s top 15/5 guys are not running xc this year. Only a select few like JI and Kiplimo.

Cheruyiot, cheptegei and kimeli usually run xc, it's just that the season (pre national and national meets etc) is from January to March in Africa and Europe (with the exception of this year, because this season is just the result of March 2021 races getting postponed) and since world xc 2022 has been canceled, it's not really interesting for them.

You just can't deny that xc is more of a highschool/college thing in the US and the best US guys don't care much about it, while the best in Europe don't neglect xc as much.

Of course Cheptegei has done xc- after all, he is defending world xc champ. Cheruiyot will also not be running xc this season.

it's not as if Jakob even puts emphasis on it. It is just something fun to do in the middle of a base training cycle. 

but we have our glorified time trials in the US! it really is quite boring to be a fan of our runners. 

Strange that Wanders participated without any fast workouts for preparation.Maybe mostly went to Europe for Christmas celebration seeing close family members? Crippa was unlucky to DNF when seemed to get side stitches.......

Jakob is super solid, but they don't take a long break from training and he has been base training for a while already. The training they do is apart from no long runs (max 75min runs once a week) full of threshold effort intervals both slower and faster than 10k race pace so it fits well racing well in XC.

But Jakob is at an extremely high world level and european level is not any match...

Very happy with the general Norwegian results too. Grøvdal ran solid and similarly strong as Jakob I think. And we had a silver after a fast finish in ladies U20 (Østgård), watch out for that girl, she has been running just for a 1.5 years now, and in men U20 we had Rabi at silver, but the Dane winning is something special obviously.

I am an orienteering runner and I wonder if XC shoeware is not developed enough for muddy courses like that. We are used to that in orienteering and long spikes is not the best option. Runners might have benefitted using more orienteering shoes, like from inov-8. Long spikes really don't work in mud, but a rough rubber sole works better. In orienteering we have spiked rough rubber soles.

Jon, you are Norwegian, correct? Any insight into Jakob's plan for the winter? Indoor track competitions?

hill and dale wrote:

stay hard wrote:

Mean while what are our top milers/5000m runners doing? Avoiding XC. One thing US pros should put more emphasis on is XC, change my mind.

And so is the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world:

Cheruiyot

Kerr

Mcsweyn

Wightman

Hoare

Cheptegei

Ahmed

Kimeli

Knight

Katir

It won’t change your mind, but at least you’ll see that the majority of the world’s top 15/5 guys are not running xc this year. Only a select few like JI and Kiplimo.

Wightman has already run cross country in scotland this year!

And Kerr grew up on a background of cross country in scotland.

Tiny Dancer wrote:

hill and dale wrote:

And so is the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world:

Cheruiyot

Kerr

Mcsweyn

Wightman

Hoare

Cheptegei

Ahmed

Kimeli

Knight

Katir

It won’t change your mind, but at least you’ll see that the majority of the world’s top 15/5 guys are not running xc this year. Only a select few like JI and Kiplimo.

Wightman has already run cross country in scotland this year!

And Kerr grew up on a background of cross country in scotland.

I would say the majority of those listed top 15/5 men likely grew up on a background of xc. How many of them place an “emphasis” on it currently?

Would you say that Wightman’s one race in early November for club duties constitutes “emphasis on xc”? That’s the question at hand.

Wanders has the ability to medal and has been trying to reach his previous top form for some time now. I would hazard a guess that he felt his training was going well and wanted to test himself in a big race to see how he was progressing.

The full race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGPqEzcy7U

stay hard wrote:

Mean while what are our top milers/5000m runners doing? Avoiding XC. One thing US pros should put more emphasis on is XC, change my mind.

Who cares?

Change my mind.

The few shots I saw of the race on Twitter, had unbelievable crowds! Glad to see XC is alive and well in Europe (or at least Ireland). On Australia got cold feet again, I wish WA would of handed Ireland the World Cross. Looks like they know how to put one on! Jealous on this end of the pond.

Meanwhile, WA doesn't give a rat's as$ about XC, as they let Australia hold the event hostage. Free World XC!

Here's a private video that gives a much noisier and better? impression of the crowds than the EA streams (of course less from the actual races)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH0rthFAQ0