If the newbury park trio all go under 8:30 in the 3200 this spring, will you finally agree they are better than
Ritz? If not, why?
Maybe one of them goes under 8:25 or dare I say 8:20 in perfect conditions. Or am I just dreaming because we just witnessed such an incredible XC season? The talent is mouthwatering. I think they can go sub 8:30 at least.
Also, all 3 of them were under 4:10 last year if I remember correctly with Sahlman being like low 4:0x
ligma wrote:
If the newbury park trio all go under 8:30 in the 3200 this spring, will you finally agree they are better than
Ritz? If not, why?
Maybe one of them goes under 8:25 or dare I say 8:20 in perfect conditions. Or am I just dreaming because we just witnessed such an incredible XC season? The talent is mouthwatering. I think they can go sub 8:30 at least.
Also, all 3 of them were under 4:10 last year if I remember correctly with Sahlman being like low 4:0x
Please refrain from referring to adolescents as being mouthwatering. This is not appropriate. The shoes may permit one of them to break 8:30 but 8:20 is out of reach.
Kikllb wrote:
ligma wrote:
The talent is mouthwatering.
Please refrain from referring to adolescents as being mouthwatering. This is not appropriate.
I said "the talent" ....where did you get adolescents from? Don't be a creep.
ligma wrote:
Kikllb wrote:
Please refrain from referring to adolescents as being mouthwatering. This is not appropriate.
I said "the talent" ....where did you get adolescents from? Don't be a creep.
They are adolescents. Please do not use the term mouthwatering when describing them. Mouthwatering means “highly attractive or tempting.” Please do not describe adolescents in that manner.
That troll kiklib always trolls and hijacks threads.
Anyways….
Is Sahlmon better than Verzbicas?
Come on man lol….
Ritz? I didnt know crackers could run.
Their mutual competition does elevate their level.
The shoes discount time comparisons by up to 10 seconds.
Yes they would be better if they do that And only 1 is a senior.
No. It takes repeated success over years to be great. You have to do way more than have a good high school career. Look at it like the NFL.
No high school player will be better than Manning because he has stellar high school performance. If they repeat it in college and then for a decade as a pro then, and only then, can they be prepared to past greats. Having a good game, even multiple great games, in high school will never make you better than a seasoned pro that repeated year after year.
ligma wrote:
If the newbury park trio all go under 8:30 in the 3200 this spring, will you finally agree they are better than
Ritz? If not, why?
Maybe one of them goes under 8:25 or dare I say 8:20 in perfect conditions. Or am I just dreaming because we just witnessed such an incredible XC season? The talent is mouthwatering. I think they can go sub 8:30 at least.
Also, all 3 of them were under 4:10 last year if I remember correctly with Sahlman being like low 4:0x
No, because;
1) Ritz won footlocker by 20 SECONDS over two of the 5 best American distance runners of the 21st century
2) We are ralking about XC greatness— not track times. And you are focusing on time in general too much. If EVERYONE is running fast, it’s not as noteworthy as when one kid is lightyears ahead of rveryone else.
HE WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN WORLD JR XC IN HS. NP boys would be slaughtered in that race — perhaps the deepest distance race on the planet.
3) NP boys won RunningLane in a small margin — everyone ran fast. The gap from 1st to 10th was 20 seconds (the same gap from Ritz to 2nd place). The gap from Ritz to 10th at FL that year was 40 seconds — and 10th place was Bobby Curtis — NCAA 5k champ at 27:24 10k runner. He won his state meet by 55 seconds. Riley Hough - who was just a few seconds behind NP at running lane — couldn’t come within 35 sec of Ritz’s state meet performance)
4) Ritz was a HS xc champ, NCAA xc champ, and 3x USA xc champ. Amerixan record holder in the 5k, Olympian, and world medalist. It is exceedingly unlikely the any of the NP boys will accomplish even one of those feats (save for HS XC champ)
5. Ritz ran 13:44 in HS (roughly 13:36 in the super spike era. NP might actually hit that mark.- but you have to recognize when Ritz was running that time he was basically running at the level of a top 3 NCAA runner. 13:36 wont even make NCAA Indoor this year
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That’s all I got for now — respect the great ones, they paved the way.
But that is why all NP guys are better, not just the 1st guy. Imagine a kid winning the state meet in Alaska by 1 minute and saying that he is better than the NP boys because they didn't win by more. If Ritz would have finished 4th at RunningLane, the top 3 are better.
ccjvccv wrote:
ligma wrote:
If the newbury park trio all go under 8:30 in the 3200 this spring, will you finally agree they are better than
Ritz? If not, why?
Maybe one of them goes under 8:25 or dare I say 8:20 in perfect conditions. Or am I just dreaming because we just witnessed such an incredible XC season? The talent is mouthwatering. I think they can go sub 8:30 at least.
Also, all 3 of them were under 4:10 last year if I remember correctly with Sahlman being like low 4:0x
No, because;
1) Ritz won footlocker by 20 SECONDS over two of the 5 best American distance runners of the 21st century
2) We are ralking about XC greatness— not track times. And you are focusing on time in general too much. If EVERYONE is running fast, it’s not as noteworthy as when one kid is lightyears ahead of rveryone else.
HE WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN WORLD JR XC IN HS. NP boys would be slaughtered in that race — perhaps the deepest distance race on the planet.
3) NP boys won RunningLane in a small margin — everyone ran fast. The gap from 1st to 10th was 20 seconds (the same gap from Ritz to 2nd place). The gap from Ritz to 10th at FL that year was 40 seconds — and 10th place was Bobby Curtis — NCAA 5k champ at 27:24 10k runner. He won his state meet by 55 seconds. Riley Hough - who was just a few seconds behind NP at running lane — couldn’t come within 35 sec of Ritz’s state meet performance)
4) Ritz was a HS xc champ, NCAA xc champ, and 3x USA xc champ. Amerixan record holder in the 5k, Olympian, and world medalist. It is exceedingly unlikely the any of the NP boys will accomplish even one of those feats (save for HS XC champ)
5. Ritz ran 13:44 in HS (roughly 13:36 in the super spike era. NP might actually hit that mark.- but you have to recognize when Ritz was running that time he was basically running at the level of a top 3 NCAA runner. 13:36 wont even make NCAA Indoor this year
.
That’s all I got for now — respect the great ones, they paved the way.
So basically ritz was fast because his competitors were slow. Great argument boyo
coach brosnan wrote:
ccjvccv wrote:
No, because;
1) Ritz won footlocker by 20 SECONDS over two of the 5 best American distance runners of the 21st century
2) We are ralking about XC greatness— not track times. And you are focusing on time in general too much. If EVERYONE is running fast, it’s not as noteworthy as when one kid is lightyears ahead of rveryone else.
HE WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN WORLD JR XC IN HS. NP boys would be slaughtered in that race — perhaps the deepest distance race on the planet.
3) NP boys won RunningLane in a small margin — everyone ran fast. The gap from 1st to 10th was 20 seconds (the same gap from Ritz to 2nd place). The gap from Ritz to 10th at FL that year was 40 seconds — and 10th place was Bobby Curtis — NCAA 5k champ at 27:24 10k runner. He won his state meet by 55 seconds. Riley Hough - who was just a few seconds behind NP at running lane — couldn’t come within 35 sec of Ritz’s state meet performance)
4) Ritz was a HS xc champ, NCAA xc champ, and 3x USA xc champ. Amerixan record holder in the 5k, Olympian, and world medalist. It is exceedingly unlikely the any of the NP boys will accomplish even one of those feats (save for HS XC champ)
5. Ritz ran 13:44 in HS (roughly 13:36 in the super spike era. NP might actually hit that mark.- but you have to recognize when Ritz was running that time he was basically running at the level of a top 3 NCAA runner. 13:36 wont even make NCAA Indoor this year
.
That’s all I got for now — respect the great ones, they paved the way.
So basically ritz was fast because his competitors were slow. Great argument boyo
Webb and Hall were slow?
Great argument sluggo
Well yes. They were slower at XC than NP. And NP guys will run much faster at 3200 than Hall or Webb did.
The fact 3 guys from one high school may be better than everyone else in the country is amazing But we’ve seen nothing to indicate they are the 3 best xc runners of all time. They barely beat the 4th guy this year.
Wish world xc was this year and they tried to run it.
coach brosnan wrote:
ccjvccv wrote:
No, because;
1) Ritz won footlocker by 20 SECONDS over two of the 5 best American distance runners of the 21st century
2) We are ralking about XC greatness— not track times. And you are focusing on time in general too much. If EVERYONE is running fast, it’s not as noteworthy as when one kid is lightyears ahead of rveryone else.
HE WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN WORLD JR XC IN HS. NP boys would be slaughtered in that race — perhaps the deepest distance race on the planet.
3) NP boys won RunningLane in a small margin — everyone ran fast. The gap from 1st to 10th was 20 seconds (the same gap from Ritz to 2nd place). The gap from Ritz to 10th at FL that year was 40 seconds — and 10th place was Bobby Curtis — NCAA 5k champ at 27:24 10k runner. He won his state meet by 55 seconds. Riley Hough - who was just a few seconds behind NP at running lane — couldn’t come within 35 sec of Ritz’s state meet performance)
4) Ritz was a HS xc champ, NCAA xc champ, and 3x USA xc champ. Amerixan record holder in the 5k, Olympian, and world medalist. It is exceedingly unlikely the any of the NP boys will accomplish even one of those feats (save for HS XC champ)
5. Ritz ran 13:44 in HS (roughly 13:36 in the super spike era. NP might actually hit that mark.- but you have to recognize when Ritz was running that time he was basically running at the level of a top 3 NCAA runner. 13:36 wont even make NCAA Indoor this year
.
That’s all I got for now — respect the great ones, they paved the way.
So basically ritz was fast because his competitors were slow. Great argument boyo
Yes, the American record holders in the mile and HM were slow.
The entire point of the arguement was that his competitors were the fastest Americans of all time. And ritz was just THAT much faster
Ritz’s HS times were 4:05.9 (1600m), 8:41.1 (3200) and 13:44.7 (5000m).
Colin already ran 4:03.5 (1600m) and 8:43.4 (3200m) as a junior. So already faster than Ritz at 1600m and only 2s slower than Ritz at 3200m. Colin improved since last spring, so I believe that he is already better than Ritz was in HS.
Lex ran 8:43.7 (3200) as a soph. He also improved since then. He is probably also faster than Ritz was in HS already (with extra year to go)
Leo is now at same level than Lex. So he is probably also already faster than Ritz was in HS.
The question is not Ritz. They are obviously faster than Ritz. The question is Fernandez and LV.
I think that the answer is yes to that question too ( or they will be by the spring)
But Wejo just said that we have seen nothing to indicate that they are better. Nothing is a word that has meaning. Seeing nothing to indicate it would be like them having run 14:30 last week and having 3200 PRs of 8:55. So yes, we have seen some evidence that they are better.
What does track have to do with cross country
About 99% of it. You should pay attention. What place did Nico Young place at NXN? Where did he rank on the track? He didn't go from being the top guy in XC to 10th on the track. How did Ritz do in XC at Footlocker? Where did he rank on the track? Did he drop to 5th or 10th?