They looked good through 3k. Then blew up. What happened?
They looked good through 3k. Then blew up. What happened?
went out too hard. They aren't as good as they thought they were
maybe they should field a team at their freaking home invitational next year
Their starting position on the line seemed to be advantageous. Very little shuffling and the group was completely intact. Rather than positioning themselves in the 2nd or 3rd fifth of the field, though, their entire top 7 targeted the front of the pack. You could argue that not even Kilrea or Jacobs should have been able to see daylight in front of them at 1k, but you had a very aspirational pack through 3k.
If I was their coach seeing some of those shots where all the ND guys were visible yet only a few NAU guys had asserted themselves, I would have started yelling at them to slow down. And it sucks because they probably could have pulled it off today, but running those first two miles 10-30s too fast will haunt these guys for a long time.
peterpan wrote:
went out too hard. They aren't as good as they thought they were
Bingo.
They got Guse’ed. Imagine making the Olympic team, going all the way to Tokyo, then dropping out the night before.
Weak minded mentality.
They all went out in around 425 with the leaders and most of them blew up. Too fast for a 10k. Most of the top 7 only ran a couple races before Nationals. Probably need to run more than that to get race tough and know their pacing. Jacobs and Kilrea placed where they should. The others, not so much.
What happened? Bad coaching.
Carlson got way too cute with things. Runners need to race to be ready to race.
Just me or Notre Dame comes across as arrogant?
God remembered he/she doesn’t care about cross country either
The Guse had a great 6 months of 2021 and a pretty terrible last 5.
Coach pulled Yared out of the Olympics for this.
You don war paint for a race in Apalachee Park, named after the native people who once ruled much of Florida? Karma's a bit**.
peterpan wrote:
went out too hard. They aren't as good as they thought they were
Yeah. It seemed like they wanted to make a statement by pack running at the front. Only problem was that only two of them could actually run a fast 10k from the front. They started going backwards way too early while NAU ran a controlled effort. ND was definitely better than their performance today, but it's in the history book now.
bcdgv wrote:
Just me or Notre Dame comes across as arrogant?
I didn't see/hear any of the interviews. Was something said that makes you say that?
I was wondering if they possibly ran a little too hard at Regionals?
Notre Dame’s team are a bunch of 1500-5k guys. They probably were just doing all their running for the 8k distance.
Come nats, run faster than 8k pace through the first five probably blew them up for the last half of the race. All their guys faded hard. 10k is a totally different beast than 8k. That final mile and quarter can be brutal if you aren’t training properly for it.
aztec the moronic wrote:
What happened? Bad coaching.
This^^^^.
Only the occasional truly dominant teams have the strength to front run a 10k in this race and hang on. All the really good coaches understand this and preach patience.
On top of the poor race strategy the coaches failed to get the team experience against the other top teams during the year.
I understand they struck gold last March but this field was much deeper and the gamble failed to pay off.
downfallalreadyhappening211 wrote:
Carlson got way too cute with things. Runners need to race to be ready to race.
This^
Glad to see them blow up after they sat out pretty much the entire season. Would have hated to see other teams copy that racing schedule if ND had success.
Goat Talk wrote:
They looked good through 3k. Then blew up. What happened?
Horrible coaching:
Overestimating their March performance
Completely phukking up an Olympic opportunity
Under racing through the entire xc season
Not training for back to back 10k distance
Overconfidence is NOT a virtue but a sin
..... Besides this, the biggest reason had to be that silly face paint they sported which looked liked it came straight from the local girls high school junior varsity meet.
The one issue for them is that they were too dominant last week. It didn't seem that they were running close to potential because they had a 4 second 1-6 spread. Usually, if some are running at the limit, they'll drop back. But I'm sure they would have been much fresher had they run 20-30 seconds slower last week.