NC STATE WINS NCAA DI CROSS COUNTRY CHAMPIONS

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semihaze wrote:

CONGRATULATIONS TO NC STATE FOR WINNING THEIR FIRST NCAA XC CHAMPIONSHIP! THEY EARNED THIS ONE!!!

Kelsey Chmiel [JR] Top 6 (Top 9 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Katelyn Tuohy [SO] Top 15 (Top 24 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Alexandra Hays [SR] Top 22 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships))

Hannah Steelman [SR] Top 24 (Top 5 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Samantha Bush [JR] Top 32 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships)

Heather Holt [SR] Top 95 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships)

Dominique Clairmonte [SR] Top 153 (Top 63 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Kelsey Chmiel climbed 3 spots from her previous NCAA XC Championship Race

Katelyn Tuohy climbed 9 spots from her previous NCAA XC Championship Race

So what place did they all finish? It's confusing to pick arbitrary "top xx" categories. Why not just say top 10, top 25, etc.? Or just show their actual places.

That is there finishing place top 15 means finished 15th....

Bush is a SO XC-wise

Everyone's a year younger except for the seniors. They could have a great Dynasty if a couple of other Runners Step Up. And with all the recruits they have coming in combined with all that other talents they should really have a chance for a crazy Dynasty.

LRC Con1 wrote:

Bush is a SO XC-wise

I am liking their DMR now although the middle two legs are not quite as strong as one might hope. Bush was a reasonable miler last year, and she might be close to 4:30 with what she has showed in XC. Tuohy was already 4:30.

apparently 2E fell too. May have missed a few more spots but still All American and the only one from the Class of 2020 worth her salt thus far.

FastTuohy wrote:

LRC Con1 wrote:

Bush is a SO XC-wise

I am liking their DMR now although the middle two legs are not quite as strong as one might hope. Bush was a reasonable miler last year, and she might be close to 4:30 with what she has showed in XC. Tuohy was already 4:30.

so excited for the track season!! nc state's top runners are now very different from last year, theres a lot of new runners who improved so much during the summer !! hats off to the coaching staff and their new strength coach!

also, its amazing how nc state's race anchors are the young guns kelsey and katelyn, theres a lot of eligibility years left, if they continue to be healthy, i dont see nc state leaving the podium in years to come

Cancun Cruz wrote:

semihaze wrote:

CONGRATULATIONS TO NC STATE FOR WINNING THEIR FIRST NCAA XC CHAMPIONSHIP! THEY EARNED THIS ONE!!!

Kelsey Chmiel [JR] Top 6 (Top 9 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Katelyn Tuohy [SO] Top 15 (Top 24 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Alexandra Hays [SR] Top 22 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships))

Hannah Steelman [SR] Top 24 (Top 5 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Samantha Bush [JR] Top 32 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships)

Heather Holt [SR] Top 95 (did not run in the previous NCAA Championships)

Dominique Clairmonte [SR] Top 153 (Top 63 in the previous NCAA Championships)

Kelsey Chmiel climbed 3 spots from her previous NCAA XC Championship Race

Katelyn Tuohy climbed 9 spots from her previous NCAA XC Championship Race

So what place did they all finish? It's confusing to pick arbitrary "top xx" categories. Why not just say top 10, top 25, etc.? Or just show their actual places.

thats their legit race place.. top 6 = finished 6th

avonaioen wrote:

apparently 2E fell too. May have missed a few more spots but still All American and the only one from the Class of 2020 worth her salt thus far.

i totally believe that katelyn tuohy would have entered top 10 if she didn't fall, finishing 15th was so impressive too

Did tuohy really fall, I mean it's definitely possible but sometimes things get exaggerated and there was no mention of it or video of it, although I did see her running towards the woods at one point on the very edge of the course

Anyway I don't see Sam Bush being able to run a 4:30 mile. Katelyn Tuohy maybe could run 4:30 in a fast race with good pacing but, Sam Bush is improving but 4:30 Mi is no joke, I bet there's only a few dozen women who have ever done 4:30 Mile in college or below

Pretty sure Sam Bush is like a 4 40 Myler with her Improvement , maybe she could break 4:40

Coach Henes said it in a post race interview. And in around the 2000m mark she went from the front pack to 47th and had to make up about 40 places over the next km or so, so it lines up with the race data. The thing about the race is that there were a bunch of areas with zero video coverage where they were trying to use that drone and no one had any idea what was happening.

Ezrun wrote:

Did tuohy really fall, I mean it's definitely possible but sometimes things get exaggerated and there was no mention of it or video of it, although I did see her running towards the woods at one point on the very edge of the course

Anyway I don't see Sam Bush being able to run a 4:30 mile. Katelyn Tuohy maybe could run 4:30 in a fast race with good pacing but, Sam Bush is improving but 4:30 Mi is no joke, I bet there's only a few dozen women who have ever done 4:30 Mile in college or below

Pretty sure Sam Bush is like a 4 40 Myler with her Improvement , maybe she could break 4:40

I see her pr for 1500 is listed at 4:22, and I recall she lead off a DMR at 3:25. But she is a much stronger runner now - it looks like she has dropped her XC time by over 1 minute. At a minimum they will have a faster DMR leadoff leg and a faster DMR anchor leg probably by a total of at least 10-12 seconds then they had at NCAA championship where they had 3:24 and 4:38 I recall.

nc state'ss dmr would prob be a middle distance runner + sam bush, +disstance runner and katelyn tuohy .... i dont think kelsey and hannah will run the dmr

Last year Shaw ran 4:38 on the anchor at NCAA - she ran 15:40 outdoors, is probably better for 1600 this year, and she didn't make the lineup for XC.

Tuohy was ~3:24 last year with minimal training. Would certainly be faster this year if they use her. I would guess that will come down to if they think they can win. Initial guess is BYU will be hard to beat.

Vess ran 2:06-high on the 800, ran a 4:39 1600 in practice this week and wasn't close to making the XC lineup.

They were really weak on the 400 leg last year - that will still be a weakness but had two people better at 400/400h outdoors than the one that ran the 400 at indoor nationals.

Mareno is a 4:17 1500 runner, could be on any of the non-400 legs.

Bush has a 4:22 1500. Given that has been her best event, and she just finished 32nd in NCAA cross while they had people who weren't close to making the lineup break 4:40 in a time trial this week, she's probably a lot faster now. 4:30 is really tough indoors (though remember on the relay it's 1600, not mile), but well under 4:35 seems reasonable.

kind of how I see it though if it was me I would have Tuohy anchor as she does not get the best starts - last year was dead last on first lap. Anchoring it would be spread out and of course you get a running start.

So is 2E fast again?

She ran 412, 413, 414... 1500 last year... breaking 411 would be great progress this year.... probably needs sub 409 for a shot at a title maybe 408 or even faster....

Mile times

2E 432

Shaw 436

Bush 440

Those would be probably slightly optimistic times....

Nc state won't be in title hunt and track, has their sprinters are not strong enough. So they're probably just put their distance Runner is in whatever combo gives them the best shot to maybe win a championship or a place top three

I guess it depends if Katelyn 2e is running good at the 3K she might focus on that same thing with some of the other runners maybe the 5K or the mile. DMR who knows maybe they could have a chance to get all American again or maybe even better top three but they're a little weak at the Sprints and is probably some faster milers then they have as well

Also guys for anyone that's interested I'm almost possible that Katelyn Tuohy did not fall at cross-country championships

Yes she fell back to 47th at one point but she was only half a second back from her teammates and three seconds back from the lead so she didn't actually fall back much in terms of time

It's just that so many Runners were bunched together to go from 10th place to 50th place only a second difference

I watch the race again pretty closely and she started out as the last n.c. State Runner and maintain that position for the first third of the race. So there was no point where she really lost much time or could have fell

If she did fall she would have been farther off the pace and would have been in like a 100 or a 1 50th place

Anyway if she did fall it would have had to been an incredibly seamless fall and then rise up where she only lost like a quarter of a second. Which is basically impossible especially on a course that is actually pretty dangerous to be falling on with the composition. It's not like it's Lush grass, to fall on those trails and shells would probably be kind of rough

So just in case anyone is interested I think somehow the telephone game got played out where she fell back a little bit like half a second from her teammates and that got translated into she fell to the ground