The new WC US Marathon standards are out.

So much hair-splitting, as per usual. People raced where they thought they could do their best or where they could get the largest appearance fee. Nobody at that level would switch based on WC team selection criteria, but Rojo wouldn't know that.

Running Cult Member wrote:

So much hair-splitting, as per usual. People raced where they thought they could do their best or where they could get the largest appearance fee. Nobody at that level would switch based on WC team selection criteria, but Rojo wouldn't know that.

You're wrong. Any pro with intentions of running WC would choose the qualifying race that gives them the best chance to do so. The difference between getting a $3000 appearance fee at Chicago vs a $5000 appearance fee at NYC would be negated if you get a $10000/$25000 bonus from your sponsor for being on a WC championship team. Everyone would choose Chicago at that point. USATF gave no one the information to make an informed decision.

It's just not going to make a real difference, ultimately. Weather is probably going to be as much of a factor as anything.

Truth is, nobody not named Rupp, Seidel, or Hall has any real shot at a medal in a summer marathon in Eugene. Using history as a meter, any other name would finish randomly between 16th and 64th. It's funny to see so much hand-wringing over selecting the Team USA tourists.

Running Cult Member wrote:

It's just not going to make a real difference, ultimately. Weather is probably going to be as much of a factor as anything.

Truth is, nobody not named Rupp, Seidel, or Hall has any real shot at a medal in a summer marathon in Eugene. Using history as a meter, any other name would finish randomly between 16th and 64th. It's funny to see so much hand-wringing over selecting the Team USA tourists.

Plus: you rely on USATF to determine your career fate then (also using history as a meter) you might as well make plans by throwing dice.

Running Cult Member wrote:

It's just not going to make a real difference, ultimately. Weather is probably going to be as much of a factor as anything.

Truth is, nobody not named Rupp, Seidel, or Hall has any real shot at a medal in a summer marathon in Eugene. Using history as a meter, any other name would finish randomly between 16th and 64th. It's funny to see so much hand-wringing over selecting the Team USA tourists.

Usually this is quite true, however we would have said basically the same thing about Molly Seidel before the Olympics.

Good system, but completely ridiculous to announce this after 3/4 of the qualifying races are already done

Or someone who had a great race in Boston.

I heard that USATF was thinking of using this method a couple months ago. I suspect that those with a chance of making the team knew as well.

Bennie Bishoop wrote:

Running Cult Member wrote:

It's just not going to make a real difference, ultimately. Weather is probably going to be as much of a factor as anything.

Truth is, nobody not named Rupp, Seidel, or Hall has any real shot at a medal in a summer marathon in Eugene. Using history as a meter, any other name would finish randomly between 16th and 64th. It's funny to see so much hand-wringing over selecting the Team USA tourists.

Usually this is quite true, however we would have said basically the same thing about Molly Seidel before the Olympics.

Not I.

It would be nice if more of our proven champions at the scholastic and collegiate level developed to the marathon at younger ages but that's unfortunately still not the case as too many seem intimidated by the event/distance. That's a different discussion entirely, I suppose.

When it comes to men's marathoning the current selection process for the WC is irrelevant based on current performances. Right now if you look at the world list based on time Galen is 45th fastest marathoner in the world. Even if you add the results from Boston (non certified course by IAAF standards) those US male runners from that race times would put them around 250th in the world. If any of our men cannot be in the top 100 (2:08) they should not be selected for a WC team.

olyrun1 wrote:

When it comes to men's marathoning the current selection process for the WC is irrelevant based on current performances. Right now if you look at the world list based on time Galen is 45th fastest marathoner in the world. Even if you add the results from Boston (non certified course by IAAF standards) those US male runners from that race times would put them around 250th in the world. If any of our men cannot be in the top 100 (2:08) they should not be selected for a WC team.

Just because athletes don't have a high likelihood of winning medals doesn't mean the USA shouldn't put together a team to represent our country. If our best athlete is 250th, then that's what should represent our team. Having fewer team members because they have no chance of a medal is a defeatist mentality.

I specialize in dumb comments. wrote:

olyrun1 wrote:

When it comes to men's marathoning the current selection process for the WC is irrelevant based on current performances. Right now if you look at the world list based on time Galen is 45th fastest marathoner in the world. Even if you add the results from Boston (non certified course by IAAF standards) those US male runners from that race times would put them around 250th in the world. If any of our men cannot be in the top 100 (2:08) they should not be selected for a WC team.

Just because athletes don't have a high likelihood of winning medals doesn't mean the USA shouldn't put together a team to represent our country. If our best athlete is 250th, then that's what should represent our team. Having fewer team members because they have no chance of a medal is a defeatist mentality.

Or it's realistic. How many of the USA WC marathoners over the past 20 years went on to develop into world beaters or at least podium threats? Amy Cragg was already proven, having won the OT marathon a year prior. Desi went because Hansons made it a priority. Deena went when she was long in the tooth. Other than those three, it's basically been a lot of names you couldn't pick out of a phone book. As a rule, it's a consolation prize for journeyman types who honestly have no shot to develop further and make an Olympic team or WMM race podium, for whom this golden ticket means a possible sponsorship bonus/extension. The teams that were sent to Doha for the last WC were the epitome of this.

rojo wrote:

Did this just come out now?

When Jonathan Gault wrote his piece on the 4 x 100 team, I meant to write an accompanying piece entitled, "Amateur hour at USATF." Just about how unprofessional the group is. They don't think their head coach needs to talk to the media, their 4 x 100 coach, etc.

Now they release a standard AFTER 2 of the 3 races are already held? That's ridiculous. Things like this should be published MONTHS ahead of time so people can make their appropriate decisions. Now, considering nearly all of the elite US marathoners try to run a US major, it may not have the much of an actual impact on the quality of the team but the fact tha it's being announced now is absurd.

Incredible really. USATF SUCKS!!

Nine different women have the standard. How do they choose?

Running Cult Member wrote:

It's just not going to make a real difference, ultimately. Weather is probably going to be as much of a factor as anything.

Truth is, nobody not named Rupp, Seidel, or Hall has any real shot at a medal in a summer marathon in Eugene. Using history as a meter, any other name would finish randomly between 16th and 64th. It's funny to see so much hand-wringing over selecting the Team USA tourists.

In some countries, team selection criteria is based on how likely the athlete is to place in the top 10 or 20 in the world.

I think Eugene 2022 will be an exception to this and more American guys will want to run it. But I get your point, Jeff Eggleston is the only recent top level American marathoner that seemed to take the World Champs seriously. Bobby Curtis ran it in 2017 but had already moved on to his private sector career.

Ackley wrote:

I think Eugene 2022 will be an exception to this and more American guys will want to run it.

Exactly right, and for obvious reasons.

2022 World Athletics Marathon Championships Team USA selection list before NY Marathon

The 2022 World Athletics Marathon Championships are scheduled to be held in Eugene, Oregon on July 17-18, 2022. Team sizes, eligibility criteria, and selection procedures are as follows:

Selection Event(s) – Selection to Team USATF for the 2022 World Athletics Marathon Championships (hereinafter referred to as the “Championships”) will be based on results from certain competitions between November 30, 2020 and May 29, 2022, as further described below.

Events Being Contested

• Women’s Team: Marathon (3 athletes)

• Men’s Team: Marathon (3 athletes)

https://www.flipsnack.com/usatf/2022-wa-marathon-championships-selection-procedures.html

The following procedures will be used to select athletes to the Team:

1. One team position, per gender, will be selected based on the rank order finish from among the

top ten (10) finishers at the 2020 Olympic Games Marathon.

The XXXII Olympic Games - Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (JPN) - 30 JUL–08 AUG 2021

Women's Marathon

3. Molly SEIDEL USA 2:27:46 1155 points

17. Sally KIPYEGO USA 2:32:53 1104 points

74. Aliphine Chepkerker TULIAMUK USA DNF

https://worldathletics.org/competition/calendar-results/results/7132391?eventId=10229534&gender=W

Men's Marathon

8. Galen RUPP USA 2:11:41 1132 points

29. Jacob RILEY USA 2:16:26 1049 points

41. Abdi ABDIRAHMAN USA 2:18:27 1015 points

https://worldathletics.org/competition/calendar-results/results/7132391?eventId=10229634&gender=M

2. Remaining team 2 positions, per gender, will be selected based on the rank order finish from among the top ten (10) finishers at World Athletics Platinum Label Marathons hosted in the United States in 2021. Specifically, this applies to the following three (3) events:

• 2021 Bank of America Chicago Marathon on Sunday, October 10, 2021

Men's Marathon

2. Galen RUPP USA 2:06:35 1223 points

6. Colin MICKOW USA 2:13:31 1100 points

7. Nico MONTANEZ USA 2:13:55 1093 points

9. Reed FISCHER USA 2:14:41 1079 points

10. Wilkerson GIVEN USA 2:14:55 1075 points

Women's Marathon

2. Emma BATES USA 2:24:20 1189 points

3. Sara HALL USA 2:27:19 1159 points

4. Keira D'AMATO USA 2:28:22 1149 points

6. Maegan KRIFCHIN USA 2:30:17 1130 points

7. Carrie VERDON USA 2:31:51 1114 points

8. Sarah PAGANO USA 2:33:11 1101 points

10. Lindsay FLANAGAN USA 2:33:20 1100 points

https://worldathletics.org/competition/calendar-results/results/7160168

• 2021 B.A.A. Boston Marathon on Monday, October 11, 2021

Men's Marathon

7. Colin BENNIE USA 2:11:26 1105 points

10. CJ ALBERTSON USA 2:11:44 1100 points

Women's Marathon

6. Nell ROJAS USA 2:27:12 1129 points

https://worldathletics.org/competition/calendar-results/results/7160136

• 2021 TCS New York City Marathon on Sunday, November 7, 2021

https://www.letsrun.com/events/2021-tcs-new-york-city-marathon/

Eligible athletes who qualify via the above procedures in paragraphs 1 and 2 must communicate in writing their intention to accept their position on Team USA for the Championships at their earliest convenience, but not later than 5:00 pm ET on January 6, 2022. Athletes must commit to a position on the Team by 5:00 pm Eastern on June 6, 2022 (“Commitment Deadline”), by completing team processing paperwork (including a signed USATF Athlete Statement of Conditions) or they will forfeit their place on the Team.

2022 World Athletics Championship Team USA Decision Order before New York Marathon is:

2. Emma BATES USA 2:24:20 1189 points

3. Sara HALL USA 2:27:19 1159 points

4. Keira D'AMATO USA 2:28:22 1149 points

5. Maegan KRIFCHIN USA 2:30:17 1130 points

6. Nell ROJAS USA 2:27:12 1129 points

7. Carrie VERDON USA 2:31:51 1114 points

8. Sarah PAGANO USA 2:33:11 1101 points

9. Lindsay FLANAGAN USA 2:33:20 1100 points

2. Colin BENNIE USA 2:11:26 1105 points

3. CJ ALBERTSON USA 2:11:44 1100 points

4. Colin MICKOW USA 2:13:31 1100 points

5. Nico MONTANEZ USA 2:13:55 1093 points

6. Reed FISCHER USA 2:14:41 1079 points

7. Wilkerson GIVEN USA 2:14:55 1075 points

Can someone explain how the points are awarded?