Sara Hall private pacers the entire way in Chicago

RunnerNerdKnowItAll wrote:

maybe she should of.

Oops!

Huh? says the guy who paced Paula Radcliffe.

Also, if it's legal, it's legal.

law and order, snowflake

the pot calling the kettle black.

BroJos really stirring up a lot of sh1t these days.....

So it's ok if you were pacing? So only the leaders can have pacers?? Not sure what you are getting at here, but way to make it about you.

Then earlier bringing up sportsmanship when 2 Kenyans don't know the course at Quad Cities. Know the course if you're going for the win. 3rd place guy can't yell 20 secs ahead of him and expect them to hear it.

Coaches know the rule: cheer all you want for your athlete as long as you are stationary.

I’ve always been surprised this doesn’t happen more - not just for elites but for anyone with deep pockets. If someone with a lot of money wanted to they could easily pay a grand for someone to run with them the whole way, carry their Gu’s, etc. I could run 3:00 pace easily while doing all that and would happily take a grand for it.

Elites is obviously a bigger ask, but no reason this can’t be more common.

Also Galen hmu, I’ll stick with you for 10ish miles so you don’t need to sweat dropping off the lead group

During the Berlin Marathon broadcast, they talked about many of the lead women had personal pacers for most of the race.

A. Moran wrote:

BroJos really stirring up a lot of sh1t these days.....

So it's ok if you were pacing? So only the leaders can have pacers?? Not sure what you are getting at here, but way to make it about you.

Then earlier bringing up sportsmanship when 2 Kenyans don't know the course at Quad Cities. Know the course if you're going for the win. 3rd place guy can't yell 20 secs ahead of him and expect them to hear it.

Clearly this thread hits a nerve seeing the reaction. It's super hot right now on the homepage. You can say I'm stirring it up or I'm just pointing out something that is a bit contentious.

I don't have a problem with male pacers in general but I generally want a fair competition. If the pacers are with the leader or the first American that to me is fair.

If the rule is anyone can hire male pacers I guess that is fair as well. Sounds like that might have been the case.

In general, my gut reaction was I didn't like what I saw, but wanted to see what others thought and yes call me a hypocrite because I'm probably most known for pacing a woman to her world record.

I can't believe people are upset with Ryan running on the sidewalk and yelling instructions. That doesn't bug me at all but shows people are different.

Would it be legit if the top male marathoners were to have robots or cyborgs as pacers?

What truly is pitiful, Joan Benoit Samuelson et al ran just as fast, if not faster 37 years ago! No pacers, inferior shoe technology & equipment. Not to mention nutrition! 😀

giantdave1 wrote:

What truly is pitiful, Joan Benoit Samuelson et al ran just as fast, if not faster 37 years ago! No pacers, inferior shoe technology & equipment. Not to mention nutrition! 😀

Yep, cuz bagels, pasta, bananas, and rice have seen HUGE technological advances in past 37 years....

Flagpole wrote:

Wejo,

With the pacing lights on tracks now, pacers for everything and anything, yes, this is totally fair. She still has to run the pace. Not even a hint of a problem for me here.

Arod also has personal pacers to help with his workouts. you and Arod are of the same mind.

Zoom f 4 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Wejo,

With the pacing lights on tracks now, pacers for everything and anything, yes, this is totally fair. She still has to run the pace. Not even a hint of a problem for me here.

Arod also has personal pacers to help with his workouts. you and Arod are of the same mind.

Um...no. Arod broke the rules. Arod put stuff inside his body to make himself stronger than he could have been. What S. Hall did is not the same. Within the rules. Pacing is part of professional and even college running now, so I'm ok with it.

AW Red and White wrote:

Agreed. Blatantly against the rules to run alongside and coach. Every noob knows this.

If I had an athlete in that race, I'd protest.

That’s a HS/College rule …no such thing in the pros. Ever watch the Kenyan/ Ethiopian/ Ugandan fans at the world XC championships? They run whole race with them. Just can’t be on the actual race course.

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

Spectators can run alongside the course and yell if they're able (they usually aren't once there's a lot of spectators or obstacles), so long as they don't cause any significant problems for other spectators, or enter the actual course itself.

He’s her coach and was clearly trying to assist her by yelling out at her. There’s video of it. Someone can protest it within 24 hours.

assistance. wrote:

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

Spectators can run alongside the course and yell if they're able (they usually aren't once there's a lot of spectators or obstacles), so long as they don't cause any significant problems for other spectators, or enter the actual course itself.

He’s her coach and was clearly trying to assist her by yelling out at her. There’s video of it. Someone can protest it within 24 hours.

No one cares, sanootage. Nothing formally prohibits a coach from running along the course and yelling out instructions during the race. It would have only been a DQ situation if he jumped directly on the course and clearly, physically assisted her. Did he?

American record was run with pacers. It just seems sane, for pros to have pacers. My preference is for a time trial approach. Taking control of as many variables as possible. I find the game more interesting with less of an emphasis on whatever pack happens to show up, and more emphasis on racers bringing their own mini pacs and obtimizing to their abilities. I think ryan should be allowed to run the whole race or bike it on the sidewalk and yell too. no doubt he can keep up for maybe 600 yards in some non crowded part of town on foot. or for 2 miles of the last 10k. if i went to chicago as a coach or spectator i would want a bike too, so as to get to as many points along the way as possible to yell.

Also, the last Chicago I remember. Speaking of slower runners with pacers. Stephanie Bruce had her husband as a pacer.