Was the polio vaccine has polarizing as the covid vaccines?

Yeah, you make a great point about vaccines and company clients are different situations. Maybe I could have chosen a better example. I guess I was trying to emphasize the other part of the issue.

The point is that calling someone stupid, in my experience, is less effective way to persuade that stupid person to accept your point of view.

Calling antivaxxers stupid does not probably does not increase the likelihood of them being persuaded to get vaxed.

So if your goal is to get a high percentage of the stupid to engage in your preferred behavior, your method may be counterproductive.

fully vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:

dishonest on purpose wrote:

I wasn’t there so I’ll just make up a scenario that supports my position and present it as evidence that I’m right 👍

…did the government force society to shut down over polio? Like I said, I wasn’t there, but I’ve never heard of anything like the restrictions used over Covid having been applied to polio.

No they did not need to. Even though polio has scarier outcomes, disability, death, it doesn't have the infection rate of Covid. You didn't catch it in aerosol etc. We had one person at primary school that was disabled because of it.

Take HIV, again, much scarier outcome, especially in the 80's before the retrovirals, but you didn't just 'get it' in community.

For both of these, advances in medicine have been accepted by those who suffer from it, without question.

People used to be comfortable not having to understand things, and accepting the view of scientists. Now every dumb person (who outnumber the smart ones by far), doesn't want to accept anything they don't understand, as if they are ever going to understand it.

This is the basis of conspiracy, they find it more plausible that govt/pharma/Gates etc are making stuff up, rather than admit their stupidity.

It's ok, you are slow witted, we feel sorry for you.

If only Pharma can cure that, then they would be like " hey, pharma thinks I'm dumb, I'm not, this is a conspiracy to make us dumb. People never took 'smart tablets' in the 60's"

Holy crap! You are so freakin' stupid!!! Can't you read basic prose?!? If you had the intelligence to follow the conversation you would have realized the we were starting from the assumption that antivaxxers are stupid. Trump voter! Mouth breather!

The point is that calling someone stupid, in my experience, is less effective way to persuade that stupid person to accept your point of view.

Calling antivaxxers stupid does not probably does not increase the likelihood of them being persuaded to get vaxed.

So if your goal is to get a high percentage of the stupid to engage in your preferred behavior, your method may be counterproductive.

Good point, but Democrats are used to saying that their own constituents are too dumb to get an I.D., etc. When you consider that some of the least vaccinated groups are minorities, and Democrats, it's funny when they imply that it's redneck Trump supporters that are the only problem.

It’s been my experience that nothing will persuade stupid people. But please get mad at people for being okay with calling them stupid.

If you want to bang your head on a wall and try to convince them with your sales pitch approach, by all means go ahead. It’s not going to work either.

It’s seems really disingenuous to place the blame on the people that have been vaxed for not saying pretty please to the antivax idiots

This discourse seems so poisoned that it's really hard to discuss this. I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm describing the situation as I see it.

There are two separate issues.

1. For a portion of the population there is the notion that, ideally, everyone would be vaccinated. You can call them smart if you want to. A portion of the population does not want to be vaccinated. You can call them stupid or whatever. But this is reality.

2. So far, the smart have not been able to persuade the stupid. I never said it should have been easy. I never said it's not a pain in the butt to have to invest time and resources into persuading the stupid. I'm simply stating that so far no one has been smart enough to convince the stupid. That's a fact. You may even be right that no amount of persuasion is going to work. But if it was the goal of the smart to get everyone vaccinated, and the smart didn't achieve that goal, the smart, by definition, failed on some level.

I'm not trying to be disingenuous or dishonest. If anything, aren't we all being brutally honest here?

Calling the stupid "stupid" is not getting us closer to the goal of universal vaccination.

Saying "Don't blame me! I'm not one of the stupid!" also doesn't increase the number of vaccinated.

But everyone seems so poisoned and frustrated that there's not a lot of constructive conversation going on.

Now we are at the point where, as I mentioned in a previous post, the paternalistic government may have to lay down the law (mandates) in order to save the stupid kids from harming themselves. IMO, that's not ideal.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The other day Chris Wallace said he remembers when the polio vaccine came out everyone was extremely happy to get it.

The era of "internet experts" is a new thing. In today's world you can find conspiracy theories and basement experts in seconds. In the old days, you trusted actual experts who dedicated 20, 30, 40 years of their life to the field. Not some guy who flunked out of a liberal arts degree in his basement having a podcast.

e.g. Fauci versus tons of morons

Is it not true that the "jab" has killed far more people than all other vaccines combined already?

The Unkle wrote:

https://rumble.com/vmg44h-my-little-sister-just-died-from-her-first-dose.html?fbclid=IwAR1u4LpS9tMq9o4EzHvexbCKiqItW-NcZ4GsVZ6MoZTp3MobGKOzh3eg3-8

Yo Unkle, did you report it to the VAERS? You never know what you’ll find if you go to reading through there. Big Pharma owns you Unkle! Fauci owns you!

Boulder bro wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

https://rumble.com/vmg44h-my-little-sister-just-died-from-her-first-dose.html?fbclid=IwAR1u4LpS9tMq9o4EzHvexbCKiqItW-NcZ4GsVZ6MoZTp3MobGKOzh3eg3-8

Yo Unkle, did you report it to the VAERS? You never know what you’ll find if you go to reading through there. Big Pharma owns you Unkle! Fauci owns you!

Why would I report someone else's averse reaction to VAERS?

That's not how it works.

I would hope you know that.

I will not be reporting anything to VAERS cause I will not be taking the jab. Nor will anyone in my family.

The Unkle wrote:

Boulder bro wrote:

Yo Unkle, did you report it to the VAERS? You never know what you’ll find if you go to reading through there. Big Pharma owns you Unkle! Fauci owns you!

Why would I report someone else's averse reaction to VAERS?

That's not how it works.

I would hope you know that.

I will not be reporting anything to VAERS cause I will not be taking the jab. Nor will anyone in my family.

“Anyone can submit a report to VAERS including patients, parents or caregivers, healthcare providers, and vaccine manufacturers “

220,000 were infected with polio after getting the vaccine, no study has ever been published about how many those 220,000 infected. All historical reporting off cases has been whitewashed (you'll never find a report that shows 220,000 cases of polio in 1955 despite the report that 220,000 were infected, 70,000 recipients developed muscle weakness, and many of them eventually died due to computations in the years to come.

Boulder bro wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Why would I report someone else's averse reaction to VAERS?

That's not how it works.

I would hope you know that.

I will not be reporting anything to VAERS cause I will not be taking the jab. Nor will anyone in my family.

“Anyone can submit a report to VAERS including patients, parents or caregivers, healthcare providers, and vaccine manufacturers “

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

So I should file a VAERS report based on a video on the internet made by someone I don't know?

You have been exposed. Give it up

The Unkle wrote:

Boulder bro wrote:

“Anyone can submit a report to VAERS including patients, parents or caregivers, healthcare providers, and vaccine manufacturers “

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

So I should file a VAERS report based on a video on the internet made by someone I don't know?

You have been exposed. Give it up

If you’re worried about the safety of the vaccine based on this TikTok, maybe you should. What did the autopsy report show?

I noticed flatulence around the same time I got my first Pfizer dose, but then I remembered I’d eaten some Wendy’s chili with a packet of hot sauce from the Wendy’s drive-thru about four hours prior. But I believe the latter was the cause and not the vaccine so I’m not reporting to VAERS

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Actually, polio only killed 3,500 people a year (at its peak) and averaged 15,000 cases per year prior to the vaccine. Yes, polio paralyzes almost half the people it infects, but covid killed 650k in 1.5 years. That 1.5 years is exponentially more than the history of all polio deaths combined.

I don't disagree with the idea of your message, but it's not exponentially more. Exponential refers to a type of function in which the input value is in the exponent. Simply comparing two numbers does not allow for an exponential relationship.

Boulder bro wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

So I should file a VAERS report based on a video on the internet made by someone I don't know?

You have been exposed. Give it up

If you’re worried about the safety of the vaccine based on this TikTok, maybe you should. What did the autopsy report show?

I noticed flatulence around the same time I got my first Pfizer dose, but then I remembered I’d eaten some Wendy’s chili with a packet of hot sauce from the Wendy’s drive-thru about four hours prior. But I believe the latter was the cause and not the vaccine so I’m not reporting to VAERS

These pro vaxxers have taken lowbrow to a much lower level.

Never say anything that is pertinent or make sense

question for the boomers wrote:

I'm a young guy born in the 90s. I remember getting some vaccines as a kid to be able to go to school, or something like that. When the polio vaccine came out, were people worried about it to the same degree as the covid vaccines? What made the rollout of the polio vaccine such a success? What has made this one different?

Trolls welcome to chime in too.

Did Eisenhower claim polio was a hoax invented by the Democrats?

Tussey Mt wrote:

DanM wrote:

The Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University estimated that in December, 2020, the very month the mRNA shots started to be administered, the Covid infection fatality rate was 3 deaths per 1,000 people infected.

The last 18 months have been the greatest exhibit of mass hysteria in history. At this point, Covid is slightly above the level of a bad flu season.

I'll pass on the shots, Thank You. Lots of people in other countries want the shots. They can have mine.

AS of today 1 in 500 have died from covid in the US. Please stop with numbers that are not true. Yes you will probably say the government lies and you probably never broke 19 minutes for 5k.

Everyone, please note that this is not 1 in 500 have died who had COVID. No, it's one in 500 died from COVID out of everyone. That means, if you are following along, that the fatality rate from COVID is greater than 1 in 500. It's hard to be sure exactly how much higher, because we can only estimate the number of people who've had COVID (as opposed to the number of people who've tested positive, which is not the same thing), but it's higher.

COVID is the third leading cause of death in the US and if you don't treat cancer as one monolithic thing, it's the second leading cause of death. It's also contagious, which cancer is not. I know you know that, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Yes, it's true that the COVID fatality rate among 19-39 year old men named Steve who have a 2:25 marathon PR and own a dog is quite low, but most of us are not that person and, frankly, it doesn't contribute much to the discussion.