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2 years ago 10/01/2021 9:13pm EDT

re: You serious Clark?

You serious Clark? wrote:
colder and wiser wrote:
Why the hell are you trying to get to 7:00 pace? Stop that nonsense.
Look at it this way: You've been running too fast, pushing every day to the point of failure, at paces that send your HR/breathing rate skyrocketing, and not getting enough recovery - for TWO MONTHS STRAIGHT. Of course you're overcooked.
Maybe there's an underlying health issue, so go see your doctor and get checked out.
Doctor says you're okay? Then take a week or two off. No running.
When you start up again, only do short, easy-pace running with lots of walking breaks. Stop and smell the roses. Take pictures on your phone. Whatever it takes, just jog a mile, admire the scenery, jog another mile. Repeat a few times and go home.
Only increase mileage of pace if it feels EASY. Once you're feeling recovered, start with stupid workouts like a 1-mile tempo run, for a few short strides. You're 53, so you have to build off of where you are in reality, not aim for some stupid arbitrary number like 7:00/mile.
LOL if you think 7:00 pace is too fast for a 53 year old's workout effort. Is a 53 year old not able to run a 21:30 5k?
I'm also hitting a wall recently, I think the solution is to just make extra sure you're taking your easy days easy. Like reeeaaally slow down a couple of easy days this week and maybe another week. Maybe even stop workouts for a week all together to get fully recovered. As another poster said that they took 6 months off because of over training, I do not at all think that's the solution. Six months is a ton of time, way more than you would need. Just take your runs really slow this week, look around and enjoy the nature. Don't worry about your performance and just enjoy being out there again.

I agree. 7:00 is not crazy fast at 53. I'm 64 and just did a solo 10k time trial at 6:38, and I've done a 10 miler training run this year at 7:15 and I'm a long way from being exceptional.

Absolutely no doubt that the first thing to do is to get a complete medical work up. The shallow fast breathing would be a major red-flag.

If the medical is all clear, then it's possible you could get that way with too much anaerobic training,

2 years ago 10/02/2021 12:18am EDT

re: Cavorty

Cavorty wrote:
I agree. 7:00 is not crazy fast at 53. I'm 64 and just did a solo 10k time trial at 6:38, and I've done a 10 miler training run this year at 7:15 and I'm a long way from being exceptional.
Absolutely no doubt that the first thing to do is to get a complete medical work up. The shallow fast breathing would be a major red-flag.
If the medical is all clear, then it's possible you could get that way with too much anaerobic training,

It wasn't entirely clear, but it sounded like what he meant by "workout" was his everyday run, not a faster session once or twice a week. In any case, it's completely fine for 53-year-olds to run fast - just not this particular 53-year-old right now. Repeatedly trying to hit a pace that isn't there is not the path to success. I think he has excellent chances of getting back to that level of fitness, but trying to force that pace got him into a deep hole that he needs to get out of first.

2 years ago 10/05/2021 2:02pm EDT

re: colder and wiser

colder and wiser wrote:
Cavorty wrote:
I agree. 7:00 is not crazy fast at 53. I'm 64 and just did a solo 10k time trial at 6:38, and I've done a 10 miler training run this year at 7:15 and I'm a long way from being exceptional.
Absolutely no doubt that the first thing to do is to get a complete medical work up. The shallow fast breathing would be a major red-flag.
If the medical is all clear, then it's possible you could get that way with too much anaerobic training,
It wasn't entirely clear, but it sounded like what he meant by "workout" was his everyday run, not a faster session once or twice a week. In any case, it's completely fine for 53-year-olds to run fast - just not this particular 53-year-old right now. Repeatedly trying to hit a pace that isn't there is not the path to success. I think he has excellent chances of getting back to that level of fitness, but trying to force that pace got him into a deep hole that he needs to get out of first.

Yeah, when I say "workout" I mean a track session/fartlek/tempo.. not the daily run. AND I was able to run workouts around that pace until fairly recently.

But..

Yesterday I did a stress test, and it completely ruled out any issues with my heart. That was perfectly fine, what did come up was that my oxygen saturation levels dropped when I started to really work hard.

Not 100% sure what this indicates, but it is completely in-line with what has been happening on my work out days.

Now after reading a thread about losing fitness postCovid, I'm wondering if maybe I had covid and didn't know it? Just reading through the thread below my symptoms are similar.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10889209&page=1

2 years ago 10/06/2021 1:19am EDT

re: EZ10Miler

EZ10Miler wrote:
colder and wiser wrote:
It wasn't entirely clear, but it sounded like what he meant by "workout" was his everyday run, not a faster session once or twice a week. In any case, it's completely fine for 53-year-olds to run fast - just not this particular 53-year-old right now. Repeatedly trying to hit a pace that isn't there is not the path to success. I think he has excellent chances of getting back to that level of fitness, but trying to force that pace got him into a deep hole that he needs to get out of first.
Yeah, when I say "workout" I mean a track session/fartlek/tempo.. not the daily run. AND I was able to run workouts around that pace until fairly recently.
But..
Yesterday I did a stress test, and it completely ruled out any issues with my heart. That was perfectly fine, what did come up was that my oxygen saturation levels dropped when I started to really work hard.
Not 100% sure what this indicates, but it is completely in-line with what has been happening on my work out days.
Now after reading a thread about losing fitness postCovid, I'm wondering if maybe I had covid and didn't know it? Just reading through the thread below my symptoms are similar.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10889209&page=1

Low O2 saturation levels during intense physical activity does not necessarily indicate covid. Many healthy trained individuals actually experience a drop in O2 saturation levels during maximal exertion.

https://www.nature.com/articles/pr2004104

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