3 European 17-18 year olds have run 1:44 this year...how is the US HSR still 1:46?

Uhhh, like because the Eurokids are faster than the American kids. Just a wild speculation on my part.

Uh...maybe you missed an American teen who got 6th in the Olympic 1500 while those other kids were watching online or TV? As a bonus, another American teen actually won the W800.

Granville's record will come down when it comes down. As will Robinson's even older 400m HSR.

can one argue that that brandon miller, not coached by his mom, and competing in the diamond league might be faster than granville?

Because american distance and mid distance running culture is plagued by a reverance for hobbyjogging the first half of the race and sprinting the last lap.

Agreed that the HSR is relatively weak.

However, it’s likely that two of the runners you mentioned would be in the college system already.

I - along with many of my peers - did not turn 18 until after I graduated high school.

the macdaddy og yo wrote:

Agreed that the HSR is relatively weak.

However, it’s likely that two of the runners you mentioned would be in the college system already.

I - along with many of my peers - did not turn 18 until after I graduated high school.

Yeah I turned 18 a month into my freshman year of college.

Uprising wrote:

Uh...maybe you missed an American teen who got 6th in the Olympic 1500 while those other kids were watching online or TV?

Hocker was 20 at the time. His birthday is apparently June 6. He wasn't even a teenager at the Trials.

malmo wrote:

Uhhh, like because the Eurokids are faster than the American kids. Just a wild speculation on my part.

Thank you for the friendly and intelligent contribution.

It could be random chance that Poland, a country with less than 1/8 the U.S. population, has produced two boys no older than typical U.S. high school seniors who have run 1:44 this season while no American has broken 1:46 outdoors before their 19th birthday ever. Or, there could be various training, environmental, and competitive factors at play: is the club system superior to the U.S. HS system?, are U.S. high schoolers over-raced?, do U.S. phenoms focus on and save their best for the mile?, etc.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

malmo wrote:

Uhhh, like because the Eurokids are faster than the American kids. Just a wild speculation on my part.

Thank you for the friendly and intelligent contribution.

It could be random chance that Poland, a country with less than 1/8 the U.S. population, has produced two boys no older than typical U.S. high school seniors who have run 1:44 this season while no American has broken 1:46 outdoors before their 19th birthday ever. Or, there could be various training, environmental, and competitive factors at play: is the club system superior to the U.S. HS system?, are U.S. high schoolers over-raced?, do U.S. phenoms focus on and save their best for the mile?, etc.

It's my opinion that indeed some counties have club systems that are better than the US high school system. The main benefits to a good club system are individually better coaching and better training environments. In the US, a phenom might be coached by their parents or some know nothing teacher all while doing workouts in subpar facilities. In a club system, a phenom might choose their coach, facilities, and training partners. Things are changing in the US though. I expect Granville's record to fall soon.

Michael Granville never got any better and vanished from the running scene not long after high school.

We have 18 year olds run 1:44 all the time. We just don’t have 17 year olds.

Brandon Miller ran 1:44 this year as an 18 year old.

You forget that Michael Granville set the still standing NFHS 800 meter record in high school only competition. Much easier to run faster for some when the competition is older, wiser and better.

Because 90% of US high schools don’t train intelligently. They get 30 kids, make them hammer 200s/400s/800s every other day and see what comes out. Our 1:45 kids are injured or burnt out by championship season.

How many US High School athletes get the chance to be in a race where they can sit last in 52.0 and get drag thru to a quick time, like the two Polish athletes did? Keep in mind that those two kids were 1:46 runners in races against their own age group.

Also, Brazier ran 1:43.55 when he was the same age as Burgin ….ok, maybe he was 2 months older.

MakhGrandDaddy wrote:

malmo wrote:

Uhhh, like because the Eurokids are faster than the American kids. Just a wild speculation on my part.

Are you the guy in the 'how do I run a sub 5 minute mile'?' type threads who always replies 'run it in 4:59', then lies back and takes a nap feeling smug and clever?

No

I specialize in dumb comments. wrote:

It's my opinion that indeed some counties have club systems that are better than the US high school system. The main benefits to a good club system are individually better coaching and better training environments. In the US, a phenom might be coached by their parents or some know nothing teacher all while doing workouts in subpar facilities. In a club system, a phenom might choose their coach, facilities, and training partners. Things are changing in the US though. I expect Granville's record to fall soon.

Why is it judged to be better if someone runs fast while they’re young?

We seem to have a really good young cadre of 1500m runners right now. I’m excited to see how they develop. That’s good enough for me.