Alan Abrahamson writes column RIPPING Shelby H and all the journalists who have defended her & asks her to come clean

JohnMD1022 wrote:

Why is everyone ignoring the dirty lab director, Christiane Ayotte?

She should not be involved in anything, and anything she says should be thrown out.

Does this argument prove too much? In Lawson’s case, CAS found fault with her testimony. Here they didn’t. I imagine they know what happened in the Lawson case, checked the information here as well, and came to their conclusion.

Another U wrote:

JohnMD1022 wrote:

Why is everyone ignoring the dirty lab director, Christiane Ayotte?

She should not be involved in anything, and anything she says should be thrown out.

Does this argument prove too much? In Lawson’s case, CAS found fault with her testimony. Here they didn’t. I imagine they know what happened in the Lawson case, checked the information here as well, and came to their conclusion.

Normally a discredited witness of expert opinion would never appear again; but this is doping justice.

One reason I like LRC is that you will take the hits and even highlight them when they come your way.

I thought the Abrahamson piece was pretty good, better than the Kevin Beck blog which was just a petty attack.

^^^^Came here pretty much to say this. I think you guys have been on the wrong side of this one, but at least you have the guts to have a discussion about it. That’s more than most.

Why on earth would the lie detector test administrator ask if she'd taken any doping substances? As if any athlete would dope with an unnamed, unknown substance? Looks like Alan and CAS need to take a "real world moron test".

griles17 wrote:

Why on earth would the lie detector test administrator ask if she'd taken any doping substances? As if any athlete would dope with an unnamed, unknown substance? Looks like Alan and CAS need to take a "real world moron test".

Do you know what ‘metabolite’ means?

That 'article' is nice from a debunking/factual angle but it is horribly, horribly written. The tone is a weird forced "outrage" that uses all the dumb tricks one could think of. Repetition, Short sentence fragments re-stating the claim, the almost-second person "you", rhetorical questions everywhere but lacking question marks. How is this guy an 'award winning journalist'?

Agent Cobie Smuldoers wrote:

Would there be any situation where the US Government gets involved , where Shelby could go to jail like Marion Jones.

They should subpoena everyone on BTC .

RADA "could" apply:

Named after Rodchenkov, the laboratory head-turned-whistleblower, the bill allows the United States to prosecute individuals for doping schemes at international sports competitions involving American athletes, broadcasters and sponsors.

After all, this doper ran a number of international races, along with other American athletes. Could be reason enough to investigate, unless doping Americans are excluded from RADA.

Shelby could pull a Landis - now that would be interesting:

The act gives prosecutors the ability to seek fines of up to $1 million (£745,000/€825,000) and prison sentences of up to 10 years for doping conspirators.

Individual athletes who used performance-enhancing drugs would not be subject to criminal prosecution under the law.

Freirichs? Didn’t she get the wrong burrito too? 🤣

stoop soo wrote:

What would be the reaction if she had said that at a month after the test she had no idea how it got into her system and that she had thought of many possibilities, inc the food truck, and found them impossible to substantiate?

That's actually a more reasonable response but the problem is her case requires the athlete to be specific about where the substance may have come from.

It looks like Alan Abrahamson makes the same mistake that many others make or have made.

He attributes to CAS something the CAS did not say. The “composite probability is (very) close to zero” is not a conclusion that comes from the CAS, but is part of the “claimant’s” (i.e. World Athletics) submission.

Maybe, like the advice that many have given Jonathon Gault, Alan Abrahamson should have asked an expert to interpret the ruling for him, and tell him which parts come from the CAS, and which parts come from one of the parties in the dispute.

I agree with the second article more than the first, tbh.

Why does this guy's opinion, plus $2.65, get you a handcrafted drink at Starbucks instead of just a pike roast? I didn't read anything in the article I haven't already seen posted on LR. Him using the term "sheep" is irritating and makes me think he's biased.

He did say this:

"Doping 101 and the things people will say and do, meaning anything and everything, to avoid getting busted."

This an accurate statement so why is he so offended that Houlihan did the same thing? I don't care if Shelby comes clean, but if she did, it would be an outlier.

The idea that everyone believes her is a bit of a strawman. Here on LR, the majority of people don't and some believe all the other BTC athletes cheated and were aided by the coaches and Nike. It doesn't matter anyway if some people, including Rojo, support her; she received a 4 year ban and her track career is effectively over.

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Yes - he is ranting too.

Having said that, his "cascade" is a good reminder of the many highly unlikely events that all had to happen for the burrito story to be true. Much more informative than any remarks like "but what if it was in the burrito".

Gault and the Brojo’s believe the American model is “team doping” organize by coaches and team doctors . This is the LR narrative about NOP. This is Kara’ narrative about NOP. But they don’t believe this about BTC because of personal relationships.

why even give this clown the oxygen?

That said, for once, he might be right.

Steve from Journey wrote:

Gault and the Brojo’s believe the American model is “team doping” organize by coaches and team doctors . This is the LR narrative about NOP. This is Kara’ narrative about NOP. But they don’t believe this about BTC because of personal relationships.

OK, but they're just opinions and trying to read Rojo's mind is pointless. For me, I would like to believe her, but really can't. Even if she is telling the truth, she was very reckless about what she ate or the supplements she used, which is almost as bad. As far as I know, she was the only potential Olympian to get banned for nandrolone

I absolutely believe that if she did cheat, she did it on own. That it was team wide, with the coaches and Nike pulling the strings, is as believable as a JFK conspiracy.

As for NOP, my opinion is that Salazar pushed the envelope in a sleazy way, but none of his athletes used any banned substances. Having said that, I have no interest in rehashing Salazar's ban.

rojo wrote:

Those of you who think LRC has been too open-minded about this will love this article.

If anything, it highlights the absurd lengths to which you and Gault have gone to bat for BTC and SH. Let’s see…

1) The piece defending SH unequivocally prior to the release of the CAS report.

2) Smearing the CAS/WADA/AIU scientists.

3) Ducking all questions invoking Occam’s razor and deleting threads rightly questioning your motives.

4) Citing some internet blog as factual scientific evidence to “debunk” the CAS report. A disgraceful podcast rant to push this agenda…

5) Last but not the least attempting to muddy the waters by prominently highlighting intersex athletes on the front page to draw parallels/sympathy for a convicted doper.

You guys have lost even the veneer of credibility.

My hope is that if Shelby is later proven innocent or the lab's testing process is proven to be significantly flawed, then Alan Abrahamson will agree to stop writing about track and field forever. I think that's fair after his conclusions in this article.

-a journalistic sheep