Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

jdie82hdiwh wrote:

A positive always equals cheater. Even if someone slipped it into something and she had no idea at all it is still cheating and she is still guilty. You are totally responsible for everything going into your body whether you have knowledge of it or not.

All that being said she knowingly doped and for caught. Every BTC athlete is likely also dirty but passing tests just like Lance did.

Being responsible is not the same as being guilty of intent.

You are very very much of limited brain power not to have worked this out.

Armstronglivs wrote:

sanootage wrote:

Did not do her for tampering as found credible.

She didn't tamper. She lied. Because there was no accidental doping. CAS decided she didn't get the nandrolone from pork.

Engage brain prior to posting.

If she had lied then they would have done her for tampering as well.

Oh ; do some reading.

sanootage wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

An "assumption" that apparently didn't happen in the eyes of CAS. That left only her doping - which she forgot about.

Wrong yet again.

Read the rules; reflect and apologise.

Any apologies yet?

What would the test result be like if the pig had been steroid enhanced?

sanootage wrote:

jdie82hdiwh wrote:

A positive always equals cheater. Even if someone slipped it into something and she had no idea at all it is still cheating and she is still guilty. You are totally responsible for everything going into your body whether you have knowledge of it or not.

All that being said she knowingly doped and for caught. Every BTC athlete is likely also dirty but passing tests just like Lance did.

Being responsible is not the same as being guilty of intent.

You are very very much of limited brain power not to have worked this out.

Intent -> wilfully acted.

Why didn't Houlihan bag the burrito and get it tested somewhere as it was an abnormal burrito? Certainly she INTENDed to pass all doping controls.

Houlihan goes so far as to say she did everything she could to prove her innocence.

That assertion is patently false.

Shelby communicated this.

Therefore, whether or not she INTENDED to be considered a liar . . .

Shelby is a LIAR.

Back to INTENT. This isn't a criminal case. There's no prosecution.

As such, the imaginary prosecution doesn't need to prove that Houlihan had a particular intent. They settled on the facts presented. It matters not to anyone but you and you alone on this board about the word intent. At the end of the day, with the highest available authority in this matter, Houlihan was denied reprieve. Houlihan is guilty of an anti-doping offence which for her carries a stiff penalty.

It is a prosecution and advisorial; though clearly not criminal.

Every element of a criminal case is present.

Witness statements; cross examination etc etc.

It is not me that is hung up on intent as I say there was no need to prove intent; others impute intent and thus cheating. This needs challenging.

And I agree she is guilty by the rules and and the penalty follows

Do do some reading and study time.And do apologise.

Hyman G. Rickover

“Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible.”

Rickover was one of the most important people in the cold war. he was an absolute genius.

pupil3142 wrote:

Hyman G. Rickover

“Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible.”

Rickover was one of the most important people in the cold war. he was an absolute genius.

I agree, all athletes need to maintain a forensic laboratory so as to take full responsibility for what enters their body.

And to retain a pharmacy to explain exactly what the thousands of drugs are some with names over 20 letters long and even with a few odd unknown signs in that might get them banned.

And an extra dept to sort out those substances which are like the banned ones but are not as yet said to be banned.

Oh; and a series of private assistants to ensure that the whereabouts requirements are adhered to.

Oh; and a detective to make sure that if you attend a lecture it is not given by some one banned.

Oh; and a retained medic to comply with any TUE’s that may be required.

The above are not the end of being responsible as I have not really thought about it.

Which is of course impossible to comply to.

So essentially drug testing is a self serving organisation, not the saviour it purports to be.

Was responding to 3142.

And thus not saying what you suggest.

However, I would say that a in twenty years time Wada may have to evolve to NHL model as compliance with the norms of justice will end up to expense for if.

And as the public want super men and are delighted to pay then all will end up relieved .

Should have said NFL but ….

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that drug cheat Shelby Houlihan is serving a 4 year ban for doping.

sanootage wrote:

Nandrolonologists of the World wrote:

Which is of course impossible to comply to.

So essentially drug testing is a self serving organisation, not the saviour it purports to be.

Was responding to 3142.

And thus not saying what you suggest.

However, I would say that a in twenty years time Wada may have to evolve to NFL model as compliance with the norms of justice will end up to expense for if.

And as the public want super men and are delighted to pay then all will end up relieved .

I'm suggesting policy reform to hold the drug testers themselves to accountability.

Nandrolonologists of the World wrote:

sanootage wrote:

Was responding to 3142.

And thus not saying what you suggest.

However, I would say that a in twenty years time Wada may have to evolve to NFL model as compliance with the norms of justice will end up to expense for if.

And as the public want super men and are delighted to pay then all will end up relieved .

I'm suggesting policy reform to hold the drug testers themselves to accountability.

Accountable to which standards?

There own or normal ones that would involve such harsh sanctions?

Adam Smith, Communist wrote:

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that drug cheat Shelby Houlihan is serving a 4 year ban for doping.

Seems a good time to remind that being responsible for what is in your body does not make you a cheat.

Apologise at once for knowingly telling a lie.

As a penalty; read the WADA Code.

Sir or madam, asking for apologies is the greatest thing you have going. You’re doing the lords work here, and on a Sunday!

sanootage wrote:

Adam Smith, Communist wrote:

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that drug cheat Shelby Houlihan is serving a 4 year ban for doping.

Seems a good time to remind that being responsible for what is in your body does not make you a cheat.

Apologise at once for knowingly telling a lie.

As a penalty; read the WADA Code.

One might argue that drug cheat Shelby Houlihan was irresponsible with what was in her body, hence her positive drug test and the ban for doping. But wordplay with an opponent who reads and writes at a 5th grade level is pointless.

And no, sorry, I'm a credible witness who believes my own schtick. Apologize for calling me a liar. As a penalty, stop your inane drivel in this thread.

sanootage wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

She didn't tamper. She lied. Because there was no accidental doping. CAS decided she didn't get the nandrolone from pork.

Engage brain prior to posting.

If she had lied then they would have done her for tampering as well.

Oh ; do some reading.

You are a complete moron. Tampering is not the same as not telling the truth.

Whatever the brainless doping apologists say here the unchangeable fact is that Houlihan is now serving a 4 year ban, just like any other confirmed doper.