Clapton goes insane - I am burning my Clapton albums

RN. wrote:

It's all fun and games, until I'm on the phone with respiratory to have them send another ventilator over for you. I didn't want the shot either, but what is clear is that while it doesn't guarantee you won't get sick, what it does do is ensure that if you do, you're a lot less likely to end up in the morgue. A LOT less likely. That alone should be enough incentive for most people. At this point in time, from what I personally see, the vast majority of cases are unvaccinated, and while the number of breakthrough cases is on the rise, the biggest difference is that those people aren't hospitalized. Minor cold symptoms. It's a gamble, and you have to decide if fighting over your perceived infringement upon your liberty is worth possibly dying for. I saw a case recently where a woman's last words before being put on a vent was 'don't vaccinate me while I'm on it' (the ventilator). It didn't matter. She died a few days later.

Flagpole wrote:

joed|rty wrote:

Make a compelling case as to why either those under the age of 25 or those who have previously tested positive for COVID should be compelled to get a vaccine.

1) The vaccine still provides the best protection, even for those who have tested positive for COVID (see guidelines on when to receive vaccine after having COVID).

Prior infection is more effective than vaccination in preventing COVID. Unless you are arguing that those who have been vaccinated should get re-vaccinated within a month of their previous vax, then you shouldn't recommend that the previous infected get vaxxed within a month of having had COVID. The previously infected are far less likely to catch and spread COVID than the vaccinated.

2) There is no magic to being 25. They can get it and one of these things is still a real possibility: Death, permanent health issues (damage to organs including lungs and heart), long-term health issues that eventually clear up but can get in the way of them being able to enjoy themselves, major inconvenience being very sick for a long time.

Deaths, hospitalizations, etc. have been at or below historical averages through the entire pandemic. All the uproar about getting kids and young adults vaxxed is not based in science, but in fear and a desperate attempt by the current administration and the pharmaceutical industry to force a product on a demographic for whom there is no benefit.

3) Somewhat disconnected, but still an issue...those who don't get vaccinated are the most cavalier about the virus among us, and because of that, they are more likely to get it and spread it than those of us who are not so cavalier.

When they get it, they either die or gain immunity and are less of a threat towards the health of others who have been vaxxed but never infected.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

joed|rty wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) The vaccine still provides the best protection, even for those who have tested positive for COVID (see guidelines on when to receive vaccine after having COVID).

Prior infection is more effective than vaccination in preventing COVID. Unless you are arguing that those who have been vaccinated should get re-vaccinated within a month of their previous vax, then you shouldn't recommend that the previous infected get vaxxed within a month of having had COVID. The previously infected are far less likely to catch and spread COVID than the vaccinated.

2) There is no magic to being 25. They can get it and one of these things is still a real possibility: Death, permanent health issues (damage to organs including lungs and heart), long-term health issues that eventually clear up but can get in the way of them being able to enjoy themselves, major inconvenience being very sick for a long time.

Deaths, hospitalizations, etc. have been at or below historical averages through the entire pandemic. All the uproar about getting kids and young adults vaxxed is not based in science, but in fear and a desperate attempt by the current administration and the pharmaceutical industry to force a product on a demographic for whom there is no benefit.

3) Somewhat disconnected, but still an issue...those who don't get vaccinated are the most cavalier about the virus among us, and because of that, they are more likely to get it and spread it than those of us who are not so cavalier.

When they get it, they either die or gain immunity and are less of a threat towards the health of others who have been vaxxed but never infected.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Flagpole wrote:

1) Getting the vaccine provides better protection. You need to get it even if you have had COVID. You are wrong here. This is NOT a valid reason to not get the vaccine.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/study-suggests-prior-covid19-infection-more-effective-against-delta-than-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/7a62f53b75eb5d0004ce5cf3181b65b4

2) Your stats on deaths during the pandemic are patently false. The response was in reference to the under 25 crowd, where excess deaths were down 2%:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-300k-excess-deaths-january-virus.html#:~:text=While%20the%20highest%20number%20of%20excess%20deaths%20%2894%2C646%29,25%20were%20in%20fact%20down%20by%20two%20percent

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Hospitalizations and other pediatric visits were so low, they had to furlough staff and expand services to individuals as old as 30 years old just to try and hit revenue marks:

https://www.the-hospitalist.org/hospitalist/article/226657/pediatrics/covid-19-pandemic-driving-huge-declines-pediatric-service

3) More and more children are not only getting COVID but we are seeing increasing numbers who are becoming seriously ill. Again, you are wrong.

Primarily they are battling a rise in RSV cases, which are a side effect of the distancing measures the previous year. The only reason they are hitting capacity in many areas is because they decreased their number of beds dedicated to pediatric care last year in response to the decrease in revenue and visits they incurred. Pediatric hospitalizations for COVID are still a small share of their overall capacity. As a percentage of infections, the rate is essentially unchanged from last year, there are just more infections occurring in a few locations that the press is latching on to in order to continue selling ad space with their campaign of fear.

4) You are hereby invalidated.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Who is the government to say I can’t get drunk and then drive my car? I can get drunk, but I can’t then drive my car? Why not?

Similarly, they can’t make me get the vaccine. But then they can stop me from participating in a host of activities because I’m more likely to be a vector of disease for society.

All you did was repeat the same false equivalence. Clinging to delusional beliefs is mental illness.

Driving your car isn't a matter of bodily autonomy. They're not trying to do something to you, just stop you from doing something, and not for the ulterior purpose of doing something to you, as a vax passport does.

I'm gonna call a spade a spade here from now on: you WANT there to be a horrible crisis so you can abuse your fellow citizens. Very ill.

joed|rty wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) Getting the vaccine provides better protection. You need to get it even if you have had COVID. You are wrong here. This is NOT a valid reason to not get the vaccine.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/study-suggests-prior-covid19-infection-more-effective-against-delta-than-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/7a62f53b75eb5d0004ce5cf3181b65b4

2) Your stats on deaths during the pandemic are patently false. The response was in reference to the under 25 crowd, where excess deaths were down 2%:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-300k-excess-deaths-january-virus.html#:~:text=While%20the%20highest%20number%20of%20excess%20deaths%20%2894%2C646%29,25%20were%20in%20fact%20down%20by%20two%20percent

.

Hospitalizations and other pediatric visits were so low, they had to furlough staff and expand services to individuals as old as 30 years old just to try and hit revenue marks:

https://www.the-hospitalist.org/hospitalist/article/226657/pediatrics/covid-19-pandemic-driving-huge-declines-pediatric-service

3) More and more children are not only getting COVID but we are seeing increasing numbers who are becoming seriously ill. Again, you are wrong.

Primarily they are battling a rise in RSV cases, which are a side effect of the distancing measures the previous year. The only reason they are hitting capacity in many areas is because they decreased their number of beds dedicated to pediatric care last year in response to the decrease in revenue and visits they incurred. Pediatric hospitalizations for COVID are still a small share of their overall capacity. As a percentage of infections, the rate is essentially unchanged from last year, there are just more infections occurring in a few locations that the press is latching on to in order to continue selling ad space with their campaign of fear.

4) You are hereby invalidated.

Not even close. You can continue to monitor the situation on the CDC site here:

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-Jurisdiction-and-Age/y5bj-9g5w

But essentially you will see that data for the under 25 crowd is not significantly different than any prior year.