Another huge takeaway was the team’s blatant prejudice toward Kenyans. The way white Americans saw foreign NCAA competitors is not unlike the mindset/lens of former President Trump.
Another huge takeaway was the team’s blatant prejudice toward Kenyans. The way white Americans saw foreign NCAA competitors is not unlike the mindset/lens of former President Trump.
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I am Sam wrote:
What's wrong with that advice. It is true. It is just simple physics.
I mostly agree. Way more runners (let alone the general population) are overweight than underweight, and holds true at the college level, too. Of course there's limit to how low your weight can go and below that is bad, but relatively few people get there.
Yes, its harder to be underweight than overweight, might seem an obvious statement from just a glance around at most people. People die from anorexia nervosa etc, but those are mental issues leading to starvation. People do not die from being so called 'underweight'...I say so called, because the standards of what weight one should be has been set at close to obesity.
Train well, eat well, do not eat more than you train...simple
That should apply to the population, but since most people just move from couch to fridge, we see thin people as abnormal.
They live longer, they are healthier, less of burden to system, don't get advesre effects from Covid even;-)
Why is it even a debate
People forget that male runners can become anorexic too. I was anorexic in high school and it all but ruined my running and life for a couple years. I hope Wetmore has changed his behavior since RWTB.
Oh boy, 2021 snowflake woke wussies have now read ‘Running With The Buffaloes’
The 18 minute 5k HS and D3 hobby racers are angry!
Wake up kiddies, Wetmore was/is right.
It’s ml/kg/min.
It’s ALL ml/KG/min.
KG.....
Weight matters in running, but it's more important with weight to leg-power-ratio!
I can't believe people are talking about this in 2021.
Win at All Costs wrote:
Reading "Running with the Buffaloes" currently. Mark is clearly obsessed with his runners weight. To sum it up, he says on page 200, "You should look like a skelton with a condom pulled over your skull."
This is just one of the many many times Mark brings up weight to his runners.
I'm not saying we cancel Mark, but c'mon people, give Al Sal a pass if you're gonna give Mark one. If Alberto said the qoute that I just pasted, the New York times wouldn't stop talking about it for months. Weight is important, but Mark and Alberto definitely believe it's more important than it actually is.
Jack Daniels used to roll a wheel barrel of fake fat out in front of his women's team. Lots of coaches are losers, what is your point. Just stop worshipping them and train yourself.
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
Regarding weight, I wasn't aware Wetmore forced his athletes to abuse un-prescribed prescription meds for off-label use, fraud the TUE system, administer supplements in an illegal manner then ordered them lie about it if asked, and shame them to their faces when they were already suffering from REDs and were already lean to high hell like Salazar did.
Confusing with the true loser Al Sal, I think? That dude has likely cheated his whole life in everything he does. A true loser like Lance.
Ummmm that’s ‘wheel barrow’ snowflake.
Your generation needs a constant adult presence..,,,,.
Nuge wrote:
Ummmm that’s ‘wheel barrow’ snowflake.
Your generation needs a constant adult presence..,,,,.
Hey, it is late....apologies
Lead Foil Hat XXVII wrote:
Nuge wrote:
Ummmm that’s ‘wheel barrow’ snowflake.
Your generation needs a constant adult presence..,,,,.
Hey, it is late....apologies
That stated, Daniels is truly overrated. He focused way way too much on weight to achieve success.
Les wrote:
Creepy old man wrote:
This book hasn't aged well. Gouch hurt his back busting up rocks on Wetmore's farm and was never the same. Ponce turned into a pedophile. Wetmore married one of his runners. Just a real creepshow that book is. Yuck.
Yeah, the dark side of track & field that nobody talks about is just how many (male) coaches get involved with their (female) athletes. In many cases, marrying them. If you were a college professor getting involved with one of your students you would be canned immediately.
No most universities simply discourage dating students but don't have laws or rules against it.
Wlol said
well said!
wtfbbq wrote:
Iron Bars wrote:
Yes, Mark Whetmore must now be canceled. I'm sure the twitter firing squad will take care of the details. Every athletic endeavor has physical requirements for optimum performance. If you are fat, you cannot run fast. It is not "shaming", it is a fact. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
What exactly are you getting at? No one is disputing that being overweight is related to negative performance.
There is a difference between discussing weight/nutrition and performance with your college athletes, and discussing it with malice/contributing to eating disorders. Wetmore isn't canceled.
What I am getting it is twofold.
1) Discussing weight in the context of athletic performance should not be taboo.
2) What the hell have be become as a society?? Extreme sensitivity to any criticism where the only punishment is the firing squad served under the guise of "emotional abuse".
areusure? wrote:
Les wrote:
Yeah, the dark side of track & field that nobody talks about is just how many (male) coaches get involved with their (female) athletes. In many cases, marrying them. If you were a college professor getting involved with one of your students you would be canned immediately.
No most universities simply discourage dating students but don't have laws or rules against it.
Depends on the country. In Spain a professor or teacher as a public employee is committing the equivalent of a felony by dating a student.
Is Not Helpful wrote:
I can't believe people are talking about this in 2021.
I can believe it. People can find a way to be offended about just about anything in 2021.
Read Bowerman and the Men of Oregon next kid. His antics in the sauna and shower will really trigger you.
8minpace wrote:
Another huge takeaway was the team’s blatant prejudice toward Kenyans. The way white Americans saw foreign NCAA competitors is not unlike the mindset/lens of former President Trump.
i read RWTB after listening to a few episodes of jay johnson's podcast and the contrast of his affable dad persona in the podcast with his yelling about "foreigners" in the book is pretty damn funny.
Weight is definitely a tricky issue for a coach (in any era). The hard fact is that, all else being equal, lighter is faster. The hard part is keeping everything else equal. You want to be as light as possible while maintaining relevant muscular power and your body's ability to recover and repair itself (to advance fitness and avoid injury). In other words, weight is important, but it is part of a bigger picture.
I think a lot of coaches either only talk to their athletes about weight and not the muscular, fueling and recovery issues that can come with calorie restriction (as many anecdotes in this thread show) or they don't touch on it at all. Just indicating to driven athletes that they will perform better if they lose weight will inevitably lead some to destructive behavior and eating disorders. Not mentioning it at all fails to address a component of having athletes perform better and reach their potential.
I've encountered a few coaches (I'm sure there are more) that do talk about the issue with their athletes comprehensively. They make sure their athletes know and understand that unnecessary weight hinders performance, but they also stress the importance of fueling properly for runs and recovery. They stress that their athletes should eat plenty of nutrient-dense foods, especially vegetables, but get plenty of healthy fats, protein and quality carbs as well. If you eat enough of these things, you'll be well-fueled, and actually won't still be hungry and are unlikely to fill up on calorie-dense junk. Their message in the end is that a nutrient-dense diet and an appropriately hard training program will lead your body to a lean, healthy and sustainable weight, which in turn leads to good long-term growth and performance.