"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

joed|rtball wrote:

I've advocated for vaccines among the ones at high risk. Not the young (under 25) and not the previously infected. Mandating vaccines for those demographics is both unnecessary and potentially unsafe. Those demographics should be left to their own decision making and not threatened with the loss of a job or the loss of an education because the powers that be are trying to enforce a one size fits all approach.

I don't think vaccines should be mandated across the board, but it seems reasonable in certain locations (eg a hospital) and up to any business if it affects them. I don't have a problem with prior infection being equivalent if they were tested.

The point being, being vaccinated (or previous infection) also helps protect your coworkers (or patients/customers whether vaccinated or not), and there is a duty of care to them (let alone social responsibility, but that's a bit of a more difficult debate imo).

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

DanM wrote:

In Minnesota, it's 30 times, but nationwide, it's 11 times ?

The propaganda stooges need to get on the same sheet of music.

These are two completely plausible and compatible statements. Of course, we know you aren't the brightest.

Let's look at the data from a mainstream source. The CDC, as reported today by Becker's Hospital Review:

Nationwide: 57% fully vaccinated.

Minnesota: 59% fully vaccinated.

Minnesota has a higher rate of vaccination than the nation as a whole, yet the unvaccinated are 30 times more likely to die from Covid in Minnesota while nationwide, the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die ?

Time for you dogma pushers to brush up on your tactics. Goebbels would have your head for this.

DanM wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

These are two completely plausible and compatible statements. Of course, we know you aren't the brightest.

Let's look at the data from a mainstream source. The CDC, as reported today by Becker's Hospital Review:

Nationwide: 57% fully vaccinated.

Minnesota: 59% fully vaccinated.

Minnesota has a higher rate of vaccination than the nation as a whole, yet the unvaccinated are 30 times more likely to die from Covid in Minnesota while nationwide, the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die ?

Time for you dogma pushers to brush up on your tactics. Goebbels would have your head for this.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

Demographics, outbreak status, restrictions, behavior all play a role.

Play dumb just makes you look dumb... FYI.

DanM wrote:

Goebbels would have your head for this.

DanM slowly slips into rage-mode as the Nazi references pile up.

hate to see it

The Unkle wrote:

Take a step back.

How can vaccines be safe and effective yet, after having 6.73 billion jabs given out, Covid is supposed to be as bad as it was last year?

You cannot see something is wrong? Either the vaccines are not effective or the numbers are fake.

They cannot both be true.

There is the Delta variant, more socialising, plus Northern Hemisphere (less sunshine/vitamin D/less outdoors), so in a place not well vaccinated, cases will rise. Plus antibodies etc from the vaccine or if previously infected drop over time. But as can be seen the ratio of unvaccinated ending up in hospital is much higher. It's always been expected winter cases will go up.

Now it could be every damn country is lying with their stats with their vaccine - hospital/death rates, but it could equally be that there's some truth in the matter.

As an aside, as I probably come over a bit of an ass at times, but here's my general take

Personally I'm no lover of Big Pharma. If it was me, I'd have got Vitamin D studies done by now, levels tested through the population and given everyone access to sufficient quantities to get their levels up (I make sure mine are > 50). Unfortunately because of the duff capitalist society we're in, we make these bad choices. I'd rather it not be that way, but I don't see any way other than changing the system first. But most people seem hell bent on wanting to keep these bad systems in place.

Harambe wrote:

DanM wrote:

Goebbels would have your head for this.

DanM slowly slips into rage-mode as the Nazi references pile up.

hate to see it

DanM is much more aligned with the truth, unfortunately. This is a bioweapon and it is being used by psychopaths to attack others because they fail to acknowledge what this is and simply align themselves with a stone cold liar.

There is a reason that this “virus” has never been isolated. The vaccines are intended to fight a common virus, nog a bioweapon. This there is a lot of uncertainty. Thus, choice is priority not mandate. When you folks quit lying about the premise and acknowledge the obvious, then we can begin to find common ground. Otherwise, keep your bloody hands off our children with your experiment and cult fever.

Well..... wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

Take a step back.

How can vaccines be safe and effective yet, after having 6.73 billion jabs given out, Covid is supposed to be as bad as it was last year?

You cannot see something is wrong? Either the vaccines are not effective or the numbers are fake.

They cannot both be true.

There is the Delta variant,

So what? You are saying the vaccines do not prevent the Delta variant? If so, why boosters? Same stuff as in the 1st jabs that does not work.

...more socialising, plus Northern Hemisphere (less sunshine/vitamin D/less outdoors),

Nobody knew winter would come? That people are social? BS excuses.

Yes the vaxxes fade quite quicky.

Natural immunity lasts

The Unkle wrote:

You think boosters aren't coming?

Give me a break my incredibly naive friend.

Not only will they be recommended they will be mandated.

They ain't stopping at two shots.

Sheesh.

I think you're spot on. For example, in Israel the 3rd shot is now required to have a valid "green pass." Do you remember their revolutionary "green pass?" Either get vaxxed to the max or you don't participate in society (though they did allow the previous infected to be included as eligible to obtain a green pass). Now those people holding an original green pass are screwed if they don't submit to the 3rd booster.

joed|rtball wrote:

Well..... wrote:

Russian unvacced go home devastated (or to hospital more accurately). 700 out of the 750 in the hospital mentioned are unvaccinated. Now over 1000/day dying with covid.

"I'm calling on all anti-vaxxers who have unleashed merry hell on social media against vaccinations, look into the eyes of those who have lost loved ones," the governer said.

I'd ask the same thing of those anti-vaccers here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58998366

I've advocated for vaccines among the ones at high risk. Not the young (under 25) and not the previously infected. Mandating vaccines for those demographics is both unnecessary and potentially unsafe. Those demographics should be left to their own decision making and not threatened with the loss of a job or the loss of an education because the powers that be are trying to enforce a one size fits all approach.

+1

I completely agree with your stance. My 21 yr old son & I had a bout with the Delta variant back in early Sept (we had overlapping cases & I believe he picked it up at a packed concert at an indoor venue). He had mild symptoms & I had more moderate symptoms (I'm 60) but both of us recovered without needing any medical intervention whatsoever. I had my IGG antibody test through my health care provider on Sept 21 which showed reactive for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein antibodies. And at this point I don't appear to be experiencing any "long-haul" Covid symptoms (the fearmongering by Harambe) - I'm back to full-scale weight training sessions & cardiovascular/endurance training is looking good based on runs & spin bike HIIT workouts. All systems go in Mercury control.

So, If I don't want to take the vaccine because I have natural immunity as efficacious, if not better, than the vaccine then I should be exempted from the vaccine mandates and given the same rights & privileges as the vaccinated. But freaking no - politics get in the way (who would have thought). The vaxx Czar, his majesty Fauci, is obstinate when it comes to natural immunity and doesn't believe it exists with Covid. Lol. And Liberal leadership is obsessed with vaccinating every man, woman & child in this country regardless of any other circumstances. Sad state of affairs for us previously infected.

So glad to remain unvaxxed and to keep my blood pure.

Hope you’re still showing Harambe’s and my LRC posts to your friends at the gym :) - always nice to have a following.

I would actually support prior infection being socially equivalent to vaccination if 1) we had a good way to assay memory cells for reactivity (not just circulating abs) 2) the antigen reactivity tests weren’t highly variable and poorly quantitative.

Given there’s no risk to post infection vaccination it’s easier to just lump everyone together! It may not be “fair” but… as the boomers say: “life’s not fair.”

Lastly, virtually every study on ab and memory cell reactivity has shown that vaccination post infection confers higher neutralization, and reactivity. So there is always benefit to vaccination.

Needless death, this is what makes DanM happy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPwD1G5lV0

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

And at this point I don't appear to be experiencing any "long-haul" Covid symptoms (the fearmongering by Harambe)

Fellas, is pointing out that many people who survive COVID still suffer from long-term damage "fearmongering"?

It feels like you are deeply afraid of both COVID and the vaccine, thus you put on this brash persona that basically ignores any and all evidence in favor of partisan taunting. I your case ignorance is not bliss, it is fear.

Maybe if you just read some stuff by the experts and educated yourself rather than listening to what the talking heads say, all this would make more sense and be less scary.

The Unkle wrote:

Natural immunity lasts

I know this a shocker, but.....

As usual, you're wrong.

"U.K. residents are “increasingly reporting catching Sars-CoV-2 for a second or even third time,” according to the Guardian. A year ago, reinfection seemed rare; only two dozen cases had been recorded worldwide. But just like protection from vaccination, natural immunity also seems to fade over time and in the face of new variants such as Delta.

“With rising levels of Sars-CoV-2 infections in the U.K., many of us are personally aware of children and adults who got reinfected, sometimes after a relatively short period from their first infection,” Dr. Nisreen Alwan, a public health professor at the University of Southampton, told the Guardian.

We now know that natural immunity to Sars-CoV-2 begins to dwindle over time. One Danish study suggested that the under-65s had about 80% protection for at least six months, while the over-65s had only 47% protection.

"In Oklahoma, which has a population of about 3.9 million, there were 5,229 reinfections reported during September (equivalent to a reinfection rate of 1,152 per 100,000) and reinfections have risen 350% since May"

In conclusion, for the umpteenth time, the Unkie is...WRONG.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Alright buddy. You are moving the goalposts already

Nope, he's just trolling to get another response, which is what he (like any other troll) lives for.

Seriously, you guys have to just stop responding to TU (and DG and NoY and SV and the list goes on). Just stop.

Worth a repost IMO:

I would just add that if Covid-19 truly has a 99% survival rate, and if everyone will get it eventually (as multiple posters have assured us will happen), then we're talking THREE MILLION DEAD.

Where did he come in Tokyo?

Thanks for the link Monkeys

every parent I know is eager to get a vax approved for their kids

Too much transmission in schools right now