I took the Safesport training. I'm not sure what Alberto Salazar violated

The Safesport training doesn't cover situations like this or let you believe they are prohibited behavior.

How is it okay to destroy this man's life for things that no one knew were prohibited?

Not sure when you took SafeSport training , but I think you are in need of a refresher. Part of the code deals with emotional abuse such as bullying. I assume that the comments about weight and body image is being classified in that way---as I think it should. The allegations from Mary Cain and Kara Goucher could fall under a number of these.

Here are what are possible pertinent sections of the Safesport code.

1. Emotional Misconduct

Emotional Misconduct includes (a) Verbal Acts, (b)

Physical Acts, (c) Acts that Deny Attention or

Support, (d) Criminal Conduct, or (e) Stalking.

Emotional Misconduct is determined by the

objective behaviors, not whether harm is intended or

results from the behavior.

a. Verbal Acts

Repeatedly and excessively verbally assaulting

or attacking someone personally in a manner that

serves no productive training or motivational

purpose.

2. Physical Misconduct

Physical Misconduct is any intentional contact or

non-contact behavior that causes, or reasonably

threatens to cause, physical harm to another person.

Examples of physical misconduct may include,

without limitation:

b. Non-contact violations

Isolating a person in a confined space, such as

locking an Athlete in a small space; forcing an

Athlete to assume a painful stance or position

for no athletic purpose (e.g., requiring an athlete

to kneel on a harmful surface); withholding,

recommending against, or denying adequate

hydration, nutrition, medical attention or sleep;

providing alcohol to a person under the legal

drinking age; providing illegal drugs or nonprescribed medications to another.

(The key would be recommending against adequate nutrition.)

Bullying Behavior

Repeated or severe behavior(s) that are (a)

aggressive (b) directed at a Minor, and (c) intended

or likely to hurt, control, or diminish the Minor

emotionally, physically or sexually. Bullying-like

behaviors directed at adults are addressed under

other forms of misconduct, such as Hazing or

Harassment. Examples of bullying behavior may

include, without limitation, repeated or severe:

b. Verbal

Ridiculing, taunting, name-calling or

intimidating or threatening to cause someone

harm.

Harassment

Repeated or severe conduct that (a) causes fear,

humiliation or annoyance, (b) offends or degrades,

(c) creates a hostile environment (as defined above),

or (d) reflects discriminatory bias in an attempt to

establish dominance, superiority or power over an

individual or group based on age, race, ethnicity,

culture, religion, national origin, or mental or

physical disability; or (e) any act or conduct

described as harassment under federal or state law.

Whether conduct is harassing depends on the

totality of the circumstances, including the nature,

frequency, intensity, location, context, and duration

of the behavior.

Conduct may not rise to the level of Harassment if

it is merely rude (inadvertently saying or doing

something hurtful), mean (purposefully saying or

doing something hurtful, but not as part of a pattern

of behavior), or arising from conflict or struggle

between persons who perceive they have

incompatible views or positions. Harassment does

not include professionally accepted coaching

methods of skill enhancement, physical

conditioning, team building, appropriate discipline,

or improved Athlete performance.

Free Alberto wrote:

The Safesport training doesn't cover situations like this or let you believe they are prohibited behavior.

How is it okay to destroy this man's life for things that no one knew were prohibited?

Read the code and bullying behavior is covered.

Soft.

Luv2Run wrote:

Not sure when you took SafeSport training , but I think you are in need of a refresher.

I just took a refresher 5 months ago as part of getting recertified for the Olympiad. I am a USATF certified offficial.

What you say isn't covered in the training.

They made up a ruling for Alberto.

BINGO!

The womensrunning article says that the things Cain reported were confirmed by other member of the NOP. So if these athletes saw the abuse happening why didn't they step in? Why didn't they try to help Cain? Shouldn't they also faec some type of ban since they contributed to this by not action?

Cain begged him to return.

Harassment

Repeated or severe conduct that (a) causes fear,

humiliation or annoyance.

Half of the coaches I ever had repeatedly annoyed me.

Seems a low bar for banning.

One person's push for excellence is another person's "bullying".

I would never coach women.. ever.. ever.. ever. Mary Cain is the worst thing to ever happen to Alberto.

ClubRunnah wrote:

One person's push for excellence is another person's "bullying".

I would never coach women.. ever.. ever.. ever. Mary Cain is the worst thing to ever happen to Alberto.

Alberto is the worst thing to ever happen to Alberto.

5 sections wrote:

The womensrunning article says that the things Cain reported were confirmed by other member of the NOP. So if these athletes saw the abuse happening why didn't they step in? Why didn't they try to help Cain? Shouldn't they also faec some type of ban since they contributed to this by not action?

Are you truly this ignorant about abusive relationships?

some dude wrote:

ClubRunnah wrote:

One person's push for excellence is another person's "bullying".

I would never coach women.. ever.. ever.. ever. Mary Cain is the worst thing to ever happen to Alberto.

Alberto is the worst thing to ever happen to Alberto.

X a million. Speaking truths.

he's filthy wrote:

Free Alberto wrote:

The Safesport training doesn't cover situations like this or let you believe they are prohibited behavior.

How is it okay to destroy this man's life for things that no one knew were prohibited?

Destroy his life? He is a filthy doping cheater and a completely despicable and unlikable jerk and has been for over 40 years. He's had a pretty damned charmed life considering that he should be in prison. Thankfully, he'll soon be enjoying the eternal fires of HELL.

Amen!!

Eternal Hell-Fire too good for this miscreant pariah!

There ought to be a special torture chamber in the deepest pits of Hades reserved for anyone experimentally applying cream to non-athletes or telling a world-class wanna-be that weight has something to do with running performance.

LOL. you're telling me that weight doesn't have something to do with running performance? You can be too heavy or too light and either can most certainly affect how you run. It's a fact.

I maybe shouldn't admit this but to be honest, when I first heard this this afternoon, the first thought that popped into my mind was "Is this a joke?"

That was the first thing I thought of when I heard this.

We live in a day and age when we want the death penalty abolished, are constantly advocating for more lenient sentencing of repeat violent criminals and Salazar is banned for life without even a decision being published or previously convicted of anything?

How in the world is that possible?

For my entire adult life, I've advocated for life time bans for drug cheats but have been told that's not possible and is inumane. But Salazar is now banned for life with no explanation given? Really?

Do not misunderstand me. Look. I think we should hold coaches and police and ministers and people in authority to INCREDIBLY high standards. When Cain signed with Salazar, I thought about calling up her parents to make sure if they knew what his reputation was like.

One of the best lectures I ever heard when I was coaching Cornell was from a guest speaker who travelled the country giving a speech entitled something along the lines of, "They call you coach." People worship their coaches way more than they do their parents normally. It's an incredibly strong bond. You should not abuse your authority.

But can you really ban someone without publishing a reason? Isn't that a kangaroo court.

Does SafeSport even tell Salazar why he's banned? Or is it just something they do and they think secretly hopes he doesn't fight it and then they don't need to justify it.

It's almost like , "We'll ban you and hope you don't fight it and then it doesn't get aired publicly." It kind of reminds me of what the Catholic church used to do except the only difference is the punishment is very stiff, whereas back then it wasn't.

Or is this a good thing? It's like you know someone who works for you did something really bad but you don't 100% have proof so you fire them and hope they don't sue? I am a little unsure what I should think of all of this.

And his doping suspension has nothing to do with this?

Look. If you think a) he doped athletes b) was sexually inappropriate with them and c) fat shamed them, I can understand why you think he shouldn't coach again.

But right now, all we know about is c. Like shouldn't they at least wait until his doping case is finished? But the way I read this, that has nothing to do with it.

Shouldn't they tell us about a and b?

This reminds me of a murder case I was reading about randomly yesterday on internet. Initially when something went to the jury it was 10-2 in favor of guilty. In the end, the two holdouts convinced everyone to go not guilty. But one of thse people said, "Look. I think she did it but that doesn't mean I have to vote guilty. The process was really screwed up."

We need a fair process. Do we know if we have one?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mary-katherine-higdon-trial-steven-freeman-death-georgia/

5 sections wrote:

The womensrunning article says that the things Cain reported were confirmed by other member of the NOP. So if these athletes saw the abuse happening why didn't they step in? Why didn't they try to help Cain? Shouldn't they also faec some type of ban since they contributed to this by not action?

The power discrepancy in situations like this is tremendous. Alberto is backed by Nike who is paying the athletes and providing all their living and training. If one speaks up the risk is getting cut loose. It is easy to sit on your couch typing on a laptop to say someone should say something at the risk of losing everything.

No, you do not punish other people who are living in fear.

WTF, is wrong with you people?