Seems to think CAS are pretty confident and wouldn’t have handed out four years if they thought it was merely contamination.
See some of the replies as well:
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/1404697626361176066
Could Shelby have doped independently of BTC/Jerry’s knowledge?
Sorry. I can’t read in Twitter. It’s irritating to even try to understand a conversation with the (made up) acronyms, abbreviations, bad spelling, missing words and poor context.
Twitter should be short and sweet. “Had lunch at Taco Bell. It was da bomb.”
Long rants are for Facebook.
Who is this Tucker fellow, and why should anyone care what he thinks???
Evidently, Tucker fails to discuss the real problem here, let alone discuss it. The REAL PROBLEM here is that WADA has evidently set such arbitrarily low limits in their drug detection, that ingestion of the food supply can trigger them.
If there is going to be discussion on this topic, then the facts surrounding these WADA limits, and what is the minimal amount of food ingestion that triggers these limits, needs to clearly be presented to the public, if the public is expected to watch this 'sport'. Otherwise, the public is justified in tuning this sham of a show out completely.
Disko Eric wrote:
Sorry. I can’t read in Twitter. It’s irritating to even try to understand a conversation with the (made up) acronyms, abbreviations, bad spelling, missing words and poor context.
Twitter should be short and sweet. “Had lunch at Taco Bell. It was da bomb.”
Long rants are for Facebook.
CAS - Court of Arbitration in Sport
AIU - Athletics Integrity Unit
Qs - Questions
Ok - Oll Korrect/all correct
That should fix up any confusion, since his tweets are extremely easy to follow and understand.
Ajee Wilson got off on a tainted meat excuse. Perhaps her amount was a lot more minimal. Another athlete who obviously doped yet used that excuse--Alberto Contador, cycling. TDF Champ.
Shelby certainly planned ahead of time to have the tainted meat excuse in her back pocket, as a fallback in case the "worst" case scenario happened and she got caught for using the PED. She probably thought it would work. What are the odds of testing positive AND a tainted meat excuse not being accepted? She doubled down with her cheating and lost it all.
Stop the narrative that ingesting a normal amount of food will trigger a positive test. This is a lie. There is an allowed limit for a reason and Shelby was WAY over. The testing agency is a professional organization whos job it is to catch cheaters. It is quite unfortunate that Shelby was using but the facts are facts. No one on this board would believe her if she was from another country or from NOP.
the shoes? wrote:
Who is this Tucker fellow, and why should anyone care what he thinks???
Evidently, Tucker fails to discuss the real problem here, let alone discuss it. The REAL PROBLEM here is that WADA has evidently set such arbitrarily low limits in their drug detection, that ingestion of the food supply can trigger them.
If there is going to be discussion on this topic, then the facts surrounding these WADA limits, and what is the minimal amount of food ingestion that triggers these limits, needs to clearly be presented to the public, if the public is expected to watch this 'sport'. Otherwise, the public is justified in tuning this sham of a show out completely.
Of course they want to give Shelby the benefit of the doubt, this is white privilege in action. Anybody black or brown that got the same conviction would IMMEDIATELY be seen as guilty. Gotta love that white privilege.
the shoes? wrote:
Who is this Tucker fellow, and why should anyone care what he thinks???
I know who he is because I’ve been following the sport closely for years. You, however, I have no reason to respect other than you’re presumably another human being.
the shoes? wrote:
Evidently, Tucker fails to discuss the real problem here, let alone discuss it. The REAL PROBLEM here is that WADA has evidently set such arbitrarily low limits in their drug detection, that ingestion of the food supply can trigger them.
No, to any remotely objective and discerning observer, Shelby’s obviously full of it, and I don’t mean uncastrated pig.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Disko Eric wrote:
Sorry. I can’t read in Twitter. It’s irritating to even try to understand a conversation with the (made up) acronyms, abbreviations, bad spelling, missing words and poor context.
Twitter should be short and sweet. “Had lunch at Taco Bell. It was da bomb.”
Long rants are for Facebook.
CAS - Court of Arbitration in Sport
AIU - Athletics Integrity Unit
Qs - Questions
Ok - Oll Korrect/all correct
That should fix up any confusion, since his tweets are extremely easy to follow and understand.
I’d prefer to not get out a glossary so I can read tweets from someone that has less influence than even someone like me.
Shelgone wrote:
Stop the narrative that ingesting a normal amount of food will trigger a positive test. This is a lie. There is an allowed limit for a reason and Shelby was WAY over. The testing agency is a professional organization whos job it is to catch cheaters. It is quite unfortunate that Shelby was using but the facts are facts. No one on this board would believe her if she was from another country or from NOP.
How do you know it's a lie???
Regardless of whether Houlihan took drugs, like you probably have.
The bigger issue is whether or not ingesting normal amounts of the food supply can possibly trigger WADA's arbitrary limits. If the answer to that question is "YES, it is possible that can happen," then the whole PED testing process is a SHAM, and the public should not trust it, and consequent unfairness in its application.
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""-'-"--^' wrote:
Ajee Wilson got off on a tainted meat excuse. Perhaps her amount was a lot more minimal. Another athlete who obviously doped yet used that excuse--Alberto Contador, cycling. TDF Champ.
Shelby certainly planned ahead of time to have the tainted meat excuse in her back pocket, as a fallback in case the "worst" case scenario happened and she got caught for using the PED. She probably thought it would work. What are the odds of testing positive AND a tainted meat excuse not being accepted? She doubled down with her cheating and lost it all.
I bet every pro goes to a sketchy mexican food truck 3 times per week just to have the tainted beef excuse when they eventually test positive for the drugs they are knowingly taking to cheat.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Shelby’s obviously full of it, and I don’t mean uncastrated pig.
Cut the nonsense. You obviously have never run VO2max sessions correctly, because when run correctly, they get a person RIPPED!
rocket ship wrote:
I bet every pro goes to a sketchy mexican food truck 3 times per week just to have the tainted beef excuse when they eventually test positive for the drugs they are knowingly taking to cheat.
That should not be a problem since they would be eating the normal food supply. The problem is whether or not doing so has the capability to trip a test. Any test limits should be set so high, that normal food ingestion has 0.00000% of tripping a positive.
the shoes? wrote:
Shelgone wrote:
Stop the narrative that ingesting a normal amount of food will trigger a positive test. This is a lie. There is an allowed limit for a reason and Shelby was WAY over. The testing agency is a professional organization whos job it is to catch cheaters. It is quite unfortunate that Shelby was using but the facts are facts. No one on this board would believe her if she was from another country or from NOP.
How do you know it's a lie???
Regardless of whether Houlihan took drugs, like you probably have.
The bigger issue is whether or not ingesting normal amounts of the food supply can possibly trigger WADA's arbitrary limits. If the answer to that question is "YES, it is possible that can happen," then the whole PED testing process is a SHAM, and the public should not trust it, and consequent unfairness in its application.
@ the shoes - everything you're writing on this is incorrect. Nandrolone is not present in the normal food supply, we're not talking about normal amounts of food and the limits are not arbitrary.
the shoes? wrote:
The bigger issue is whether or not ingesting normal amounts of the food supply can possibly trigger WADA's arbitrary limits. If the answer to that question is "YES, it is possible that can happen," then the whole PED testing process is a SHAM, and the public should not trust it, and consequent unfairness in its application.
These are professional scientists conducting these tests who are well aware of the lame food excuse. Do you really think they're in the lab now saying, Wait a sec... I never thought about a burrito triggering this... this changes everything.
the shoes? wrote:
Evidently, Tucker fails to discuss the real problem here, let alone discuss it. The REAL PROBLEM here is that WADA has evidently set such arbitrarily low limits in their drug detection, that ingestion of the food supply can trigger them..
Well, that’s the line BTC are spinning anyway.
Hard to assess at this point if it’s true
But if they keep throwing the term ‘trace amounts’ around enough then it muddies the water sufficiently to cast doubt among public opinion.
Disko Eric wrote:
I’d prefer to not get out a glossary so I can read tweets from someone that has less influence than even someone like me.
Ross Tucker has provided expert testimony for CAS (see glossary), so it's doubtful he's less influential than you.
wistfully124 wrote:
Of course they want to give Shelby the benefit of the doubt, this is white privilege in action. Anybody black or brown that got the same conviction would IMMEDIATELY be seen as guilty. Gotta love that white privilege.
Point was they’re not giving her the benefit of the doubt
the shoes? wrote:
rocket ship wrote:
I bet every pro goes to a sketchy mexican food truck 3 times per week just to have the tainted beef excuse when they eventually test positive for the drugs they are knowingly taking to cheat.
That should not be a problem since they would be eating the normal food supply. The problem is whether or not doing so has the capability to trip a test. Any test limits should be set so high, that normal food ingestion has 0.00000% of tripping a positive.
I agree with you. But Ajee Wilson and Brenda Martinez were able to simple show receipts and claim tainted beef and they got off with nothing. I'm saying they want to have receipts ready to try using as an excuse even though the food is clean.