Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

Maybe Shelby/Jerry/BTC should’ve conducted an experiment to find the max amount of pig meat can be ingested without tripping a doping infraction

Sound familiar??.......

I don't by the food truck excuse. If the food truck is her best excuse for the positive test, produce the receipt from the food truck for the date you purchased the food.

True about guilt.

Wrong about US meat being dubious.

That's why her story is even more dubious.

The meat supply chain is VERY regulated and monitored.

It is extremely rare to find uncasterated pigs in food because they hardly exist!

Even then, to stumble on to a food cart with said meat in their burritos, according to medical journals, she would have had to consume many many burritos to trigger a positive @ 2.5 x the threshold.

GUILTY

drbop wrote:

I am curious about whether other Olympic sports outside of track and field have had positive testing that was attributed to tainted meat -- ie shooting sports, rhythmic gymnastics, ice dancing, etc. The only cases of tainted meat "false positives" that I am aware of occurred in extremely lean individuals in a strength or endurance discipline. But I don't follow these other sports. I

Yes, it's a known problem with beef in Mexico because they give the cattle steroids. One example:

But she's alleging the meat WASN'T tainted, nandrolone was just naturally present. The problem with that excuse is that only uncastrated boars would have that much hormone, and they aren't really eaten here because the hormones make their meat nasty. And she never even says she ate pork offal, which implies that somehow she had got a ton of nandrolone juice into her burrito by accident.

SHE DIDN'T EVEN ADMIT TO EATING A PORK BURRITO YOU GUYS

Ate from a food truck that also served pork offal.

Point 1 is far from tangential. Media outlets keep reporting that Houlihan ate a "pork burrito." But that's not what she said. She said she ate a burrito from a food truck that served pig offal. If she had a pork burrito, her statement wouldn't have been worded that way. The question, then, is what is the likelihood of triggering a positive test simply by eating somewhere that serves pig offal? This is why we need to see the CAS decision.

Simple hair cut/trim wouldn't get it out of her hair. It would be in the hair closest to her head that was grown during that time. She would have had to shave her head to get it out of her hair, similar to what Brittney Spears did way back when. (yeah i went there)

I understand the amount that was in her system, that is why i am conflicted.

Further,

To compare her with say Ajee Wilson, clenbuterol is actually a commonly used hormone in cows and it would be much more plausible to consume clenbuterol tainted beef than to eat uncasterated pig ofal

GUILTY

the shoes? wrote:

The even bigger issue raised by the attorney, beyond this specific Houlihan case, is the possibility for normal ingestion of the food supply to trigger WADA's limits. If that is true, then WADA's system is bogus. Do you agree, if that is true?

1) Houlihan's case has nothing to do with "normal ingestion of the food supply." Houlihan's defense is about food that is not part of the normal food supply -- meat from an un-castrated male pig. Meat from un-castrated pigs tastes so bad, it is seldom, if ever, sold for human consumption. (Google "boar taint" for the details.)

YESSSS!!!!!

I agree. She is not a victim but more likely a cheater that has been caught. I believe that these athletes are taught to blame the positive tests on tainted pork meat. The science is finally catching up to the cheaters.

guccislides wrote:

Jager, Lomong, Rowbury, Huddle - All dropped from trials, just today. Houlihan banned today. This sport is so sketchy...

I saw this posted multiple times yesterday, but Lomong is declared and nothing on social media about dropping out?

good kidd madd city wrote:

your father wrote:

Your opinion is wrong. BTC is clean

"You're"

Also, such a hilarious day for all BTC fans who had it out for NOP lol. Glass house living!!!!

No, your is the correct spelling in the post you quoted. It is possessive, not a contraction of you are"

If someone posted this before apologies but the main point is why would an endurance athlete use a substance like this which appears to have little or no benefit for endurance runners?

eric.washer wrote:

Point 1 is far from tangential. Media outlets keep reporting that Houlihan ate a "pork burrito." But that's not what she said. She said she ate a burrito from a food truck that served pig offal. If she had a pork burrito, her statement wouldn't have been worded that way. The question, then, is what is the likelihood of triggering a positive test simply by eating somewhere that serves pig offal? This is why we need to see the CAS decision.

Exactly. The question isn't really can pork be tainted enough to cause a failed test (it can't) the way it is presented she and Jerry want us to believe that simply eating from the same truck could cause the failed test. It is laughable that anyone believes this garbage.

This is like failing a breathalyzer and then claiming you didn't drink alcohol, you drank water that was in the same cooler as alcohol.

NCRunning wrote:

I don't by the food truck excuse. If the food truck is her best excuse for the positive test, produce the receipt from the food truck for the date you purchased the food.

Who the F*** keeps their food truck receipts?

I don't buy her story either, but this receipt talk is crazy.

good kidd madd city wrote:

your father wrote:

Your opinion is wrong. BTC is clean

"You're"

Also, such a hilarious day for all BTC fans who had it out for NOP lol. Glass house living!!!!

Did you seriously just try to correct this guy for his word choice? The correct phrasing was "Your opinion is wrong," much like your grammar is horse s**t.

reasonableperson001 wrote:

Who the F*** keeps their food truck receipts?

I don't buy her story either, but this receipt talk is crazy.

A lot of Food Trucks offer payment via Square. If you pay through that, once your card/email is in the system they send you an email receipt every time. So that would be how. If it's cash-only then no of course not.

Thats interesting to know, because the pig meat market varies internationally. The UK market isn't sensitive to boar taint, and so pigs destined for the UK market tend not to be castrated. The German market however is heavily sensitive to boar taint and pigs destined for that market, are castrated, usually chemically these days.

So you would expect more accidental positive tests from the UK if anything. Or any market where pig products come from pigs that are not castrated.

None of these excuses add up. And for the poster who said Houlihan was "hard to read" - I agree. People that are hard to read are usually hard to read for a reason - its a deliberate tactic they have adopted over the years, facilitated by their personality type and desire to manipulate. Of course thats not to say that chatty people never lie, but as a general rule, people who are lying either give an unusually low amount of detail and/or irrelevant detail, or far too much detail.

Really good liars also study their own facial expressions in the mirror and learn to adjust them accordingly. Others just rely on giving a certain image - whether that be "shy and withdrawn", "innocent and naive" or whatever.

Anyway, I think she and Schumachar are lying.