Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

non city boy Stroker Ace wrote:

All these studies people are quoting say nandrolone is in non-castrated pork. No one is selling pork to eat from a pig that hasn't been castrated.

The authentic burrito is made from a testicled boar.

Really curious how BTC performs at the trials. After the spectacular time trials last year several have seemed slower this year and it is easy to say they are looking to peak for the trials/Olympics, but this certainly could be why as well…

I wish I could believe Shelby but it feels like a lazy excuse.

Shelby doesn't wear the super spikes. Why would she intentionally dope and risk huge consequences if she's not even trying to wear the best shoe?

I'm admittedly skeptical of the BTC story but this would be true tragedy if Shelby is innocent.

Chipotle goes home devastated

News update: it is healthier to eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell than a food vendor. No professional athlete has ever teated positive from those fast food joints who get a bad rap from those trying to meat healthy. Shelby ate a pig organ taco instead! Much healthier!

hobbyjog7 wrote:

Shelby doesn't wear the super spikes. Why would she intentionally dope and risk huge consequences if she's not even trying to wear the best shoe?

I'm admittedly skeptical of the BTC story but this would be true tragedy if Shelby is innocent.

that is an interesting point.

losmateo2 wrote:

Really curious how BTC performs at the trials. After the spectacular time trials last year several have seemed slower this year and it is easy to say they are looking to peak for the trials/Olympics, but this certainly could be why as well…

I wish I could believe Shelby but it feels like a lazy excuse.

I was kinda suspicious of all BTC runners before, but now am very suspicious. They are under the microscope now. Are they still Olympic-caliber runners?

You guys are so out of touch with reality.. My goodness. have you seen the whole WADA banned list? Not to mention it includes 'similar compounds not listed'. You know how many substances that is. You expect every coach to be an expert in these 100s of substances when they no impact on day-to-day coaching and most coaches NEVER encounter them in their entire careers of coaching. I'm genuinely an optimistic person that believes the best in people, but you guys are freakin ridiculous with these statements. Being an expert about every potential cause of every potentially illegal substance is NOT a part of day-to-day coaching. You know how much time and energy coaching entails? Far more important things go neglected because you can only do so much. This isn't an even argument (and I'll argue both sides about just about anything). So just stop.

rojo wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/06/shelby-houlihan-tests-positive-for-nandrolone-banned-from-track-field-for-four-years-after-her-cas-appeal-is-unsuccessful/

Note. The thread was started about 90 minutes beofre what we knew the news was. It was titled something along the lines of "You heard it hear first. Big Big Big Big news coming at 6:30 pm ET."

The Bowerman Track Club has called a press conference for 3:30 pacific. They never hold press conferences.

The Press release says:

The press conference will be held over zoom to invited media. During the press conference, Bowerman Track Club athlete Shelby Houlihan along with coaches Jerry Schumacher and Shalane Flanagan will be making statements regarding the U.S. Olympic Team Trials.

No one should be surprised about this. Shelby has looked weird for years.

non city boy Stroker Ace wrote:

NORTH LONDON IS DEAD wrote:

Anyway, all these positives are happening in the US (as far as I know), where we know the meat and everything else is contaminated to some extent.

But nandrolone is commonly known to be a steroid. Is it also in pork? I guess. I could go either way on Shelby but I will say she may be a victim of timing and an org trying to make a point.

All these studies people are quoting say nandrolone is in non-castrated pork. No one is selling pork to eat from a pig that hasn't been castrated.

Hmmmm, ever hear of an "authentic Mexican" taco truck? The kind you find close to the border like in Portland Oregon. We make the chorizo from the very balls of pigs with balls full of gringo lab stuff.

Liberal. That would be consistent with cheating.

Here's a gem of a post from the past:

We kind of suspected something was slightly fishy. Her meteoric rise in the last year of her college year. Her buffed body and chiseled chin got amplified after turning pro. If she is truly doping, was it the money, fame, or just not wanting to get a real job? How much money is it really there for one to dope to win? I didn't think not that much in T&F. I certainly wouldn't think it's a joy to do it. But if I am got paid like A-Rod, heck I would do it in a heartbeat.

c7runner7 wrote:

You guys are so out of touch with reality.. My goodness. have you seen the whole WADA banned list? Not to mention it includes 'similar compounds not listed'. You know how many substances that is. You expect every coach to be an expert in these 100s of substances when they no impact on day-to-day coaching and most coaches NEVER encounter them in their entire careers of coaching. I'm genuinely an optimistic person that believes the best in people, but you guys are freakin ridiculous with these statements. Being an expert about every potential cause of every potentially illegal substance is NOT a part of day-to-day coaching. You know how much time and energy coaching entails? Far more important things go neglected because you can only do so much. This isn't an even argument (and I'll argue both sides about just about anything). So just stop.

Coachhhh...it's too hard!

Shelby "F*cking Cheater Doper" Houlihan

1. That's not a steroid they put in cows or pigs.

2. Even if it was, she'd need to eat a complete cow or pig in five days.

See the first sentence.

I bet Quigley is having a great day.

TomPettyLives wrote:

maybe im naive but wrote:

I believe her.

I don’t know who to believe anymore. But I will say this- if what she and Jerry are saying is true this is the saddest story I’ve ever heard.

If a truly clean athlete that worked her entire life to get to this point and not just being banned from her dream, but is being labeled a cheater, it’s a complete travesty. Nothing could be sadder.

I do think the burrito story is plausible. I’d like to hear more about the science behind the hair testing and polygraph.

Unless there is 100% certainty (99.9% is not enough) this should not happen to an athlete that’s been in compliance for many years.

i worked in a lab that did hair analysis.

the hair is somewhat an integral of blood.

in that cannabis, cocaine, heavy metals, etc. deposit with the creation of the keratin.

on a minute, hourly, daily basis.

so

if you can eliminate the last few day's growth by chopping off the first 1/10 inch just a bit\

and test the rest.

you take the hair and do an inert wash (to the organic component you will test).

then you macerate the hair sample in an organic solvent (cut and grind)

you filter out the crap (special cartridges)

and inject the sample into either a gas chromatograpy or liquid chronograph. with MS detector.

you run calibration standards, internal standards and blanks.

by concentrating the sample and the extremely low detection limits of the instruments,

yields sub nanogram detection limits.

yes, i've tested steroids,

Camo Cat wrote:

Anyone coming to Trials, I'll be on the corner of Agate and 13th with "Fear the Burrito" and "Eating Pork is Not a Crime" t-shirts. $20, XS-XL, cash only.

If this is true, I will be there.

the above procedure will lead to zero possibility of picking up anything ingested in the last few days.

that is if you do the test correctly.

i missed it, did they do a hair sample?

sorry to be not totally in the loop, this is not my day job.