Former marathon champ says not enough women are being consulted about trans participation

Damn, any studies to back her up indicating trans women competing in and dominating sport are numerous enough to merit more legislation than is already in place? Would be really interested to see what kind of data there is. For there to be so many voices popping up and writing articles, there must be trans woman on every podium at every level in every individual sport.

big guy tran wrote:

Damn, any studies to back her up indicating trans women competing in and dominating sport are numerous enough to merit more legislation than is already in place? Would be really interested to see what kind of data there is. For there to be so many voices popping up and writing articles, there must be trans woman on every podium at every level in every individual sport.

From the report above:

"The 1981 NZ Sportsperson of the Year is one of 41 former Olympians and world-class athletes, who have penned a letter to the Government in response to Sport NZ's draft proposal on ways to allow trans women to compete against other women at club and community level."

"Roe, a former New York and Boston marathon winner, believes the impact of allowing "biological men" to compete against women will be detrimental to the sporting aspirations of young female athletes."

So how many trans athletes do you need on the podium before you decide women's sport needs protecting?

Armstronglivs wrote:

"The 1981 NZ Sportsperson of the Year is one of 41 former Olympians and world-class athletes, who have penned a letter to the Government in response to Sport NZ's draft proposal on ways to allow trans women to compete against other women at club and community level."

Umm.. in the US, trans girls are told to participate in "club and community" sports because the school sponsored sports are for cis girls only. But I guess it's different in New Zealand?

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"The 1981 NZ Sportsperson of the Year is one of 41 former Olympians and world-class athletes, who have penned a letter to the Government in response to Sport NZ's draft proposal on ways to allow trans women to compete against other women at club and community level."

Umm.. in the US, trans girls are told to participate in "club and community" sports because the school sponsored sports are for cis girls only. But I guess it's different in New Zealand?

From the story above it appears policy is still only at the draft stage. That is why Roe and her fellow Olympians are responding to it. I am not aware there is as yet a specific policy for schools. The more significant point however is that Roe is saying not enough women are being consulted about what is being proposed. The agenda is being driven elsewhere. That isn't just a problem in NZ.

The men’s category should be an Open category to allow trans athletes to participate and give whatever awards for them (male to female, female to male).

The women’s category should be a protected category.

This is about fair sports, and this is being fair to everyone.

fair sports. wrote:

The men’s category should be an Open category to allow trans athletes to participate and give whatever awards for them (male to female, female to male).

The women’s category should be a protected category.

This is about fair sports, and this is being fair to everyone.

It's not fair to the trans athlete who mutilates their body and goes on extensive hormone therapy the way nature intended.

fair sports. wrote:

The men’s category should be an Open category to allow trans athletes to participate and give whatever awards for them (male to female, female to male).

The women’s category should be a protected category.

This is about fair sports, and this is being fair to everyone.

So how is trans women, trans men and cis men competing in the same division "fair to everyone"?

“Not enough women?” Not true. Plenty of women are consulted and advocate trans rights. Social media is full of female (and otherwise) trans activists. What you mean is that not enough competitive women in sport are being consulted. Highly doubt a woman would sacrifice her (active) participation in sport to discuss her opinion. Sure it’s easy for a retired athlete. And it’s also up to the interviewer to ask these questions and then write a clickbait headline that instigates attacks on the athlete. For an active, competitive female athlete to discuss this would probably be career suicide.

Molly Huddle got attacked because Saucony didn’t sponsor enough black women. As if Molly does the hiring and would resign unless they hired more. Her response was to lock the thread. Why open herself up to further scrutiny that takes away from training.

Final point. Nikki Hiltz has plenty of women. Many elites, that throw every superlative at any social post she has so these women do have opinions. But no one asks them directly. You think Chris Chavez is going to write some hard hitting journalism?

Why can't trans people accept some limitations? Everybody else does.

Social media is not "consultation". It is the place where typically the loudest are heard.

It really should be common sense to tell fake females to F off and play with the men.

I'm fine with it happening the other way around, so I'm ignoring any "you're transphobic" comments.

#ChristianityRocks

How dare she say what is obvious and we all know to be true.

What does women being consulted with mean? A woman says she is opposed to transgender women competing, is fine with it or she she doesn't have an opinion. What happens next?

We'll get nowhere unless we can separate out the two main issues:

1. Do trans women have an unfair advantage in sports and, in some cases, pose a potential safety problem, in addition to fairness? Clearly yes.

2. What is the scope of this "problem" currently and what should be appropriately be done about it? Less clear.

ATEA4RE wrote:

We'll get nowhere unless we can separate out the two main issues:

1. Do trans women have an unfair advantage in sports and, in some cases, pose a potential safety problem, in addition to fairness? Clearly yes.

2. What is the scope of this "problem" currently and what should be appropriately be done about it? Less clear.

#2 is really just a theory at this point. In distance running, there has yet to be a competitive transgender athlete at anywhere near a national level in HS, college or in the pros. Most of the red state bans are against people that don't exist.

She probably remembers when she was the world record holder in the marathon running the Sydney City Surf and a 17 boy blew past her saying “hey, I know you” and ended up beating her by a couple of minutes. True story.

She’s right. Men should not be allowed in women’s only races. It’s totally unfair to women.

raced her wrote:

She probably remembers when she was the world record holder in the marathon running the Sydney City Surf and a 17 boy blew past her saying “hey, I know you” and ended up beating her by a couple of minutes. True story.

She’s right. Men should not be allowed in women’s only races. It’s totally unfair to women.

Did the 17-year old boy later transgender? How fast was she after hormone treatments?

raced her wrote:

She probably remembers when she was the world record holder in the marathon running the Sydney City Surf and a 17 boy blew past her saying “hey, I know you” and ended up beating her by a couple of minutes. True story.

She’s right. Men should not be allowed in women’s only races. It’s totally unfair to women.

No one is saying men should run in women's only races.