Crouser is impressive but he has closer competition. No jumper, sprinter or distance runner is so way ahead of everyone. Is Vetter the only sure thing for gold in track and field in 2021 and the most dominant guy in the last 10 years in a discipline?
Close to WR and has thrown 90+ in virtually every competition he's entered.
powerguys wrote:
Crouser is impressive but he has closer competition. No jumper, sprinter or distance runner is so way ahead of everyone. Is Vetter the only sure thing for gold in track and field in 2021 and the most dominant guy in the last 10 years in a discipline?
Close to WR and has thrown 90+ in virtually every competition he's entered.
I don't even know where to start with this. He has not thrown 90+ in every comp (unless you mean this month).
Sure thing? Not really.
Dominant guy the last 10y?
No. A better case could be made for Rohler imo. If nothing else (and there is else) he is the reigning OG Champion.
Dominant guy this month? Sure. Favorite in Tokyo? Probably.
800 critic wrote:
powerguys wrote:
Crouser is impressive but he has closer competition. No jumper, sprinter or distance runner is so way ahead of everyone. Is Vetter the only sure thing for gold in track and field in 2021 and the most dominant guy in the last 10 years in a discipline?
Close to WR and has thrown 90+ in virtually every competition he's entered.
I don't even know where to start with this. He has not thrown 90+ in every comp (unless you mean this month).
Sure thing? Not really.
Dominant guy the last 10y?
No. A better case could be made for Rohler imo. If nothing else (and there is else) he is the reigning OG Champion.
Dominant guy this month? Sure. Favorite in Tokyo? Probably.
Really just thinking about a single year. Especially an Olympic year. I don't recall anyone in the last 10 years being so dominant in a year (did not mean for the last 10 years). He hasn't just been throwing 90+ this month. He started to throw this far in his first spring meet on April 24. In fact, he threw over 87 in his only winter meet in February. Only one person has thrown farther than that early rust buster attempt. He's so far ahead of everyone it's mind boggling.
Roehler did not throw much farther than everyone else in his Olympic year. He was less than two meters farther than Vetter at the time.
Crouser has thrown 22m more times than everyone else in history combined.
Lol. right. If history was only the year 2020 that may be correct.
Umm... didn't two guys beat him when it really counted the last time?
Vetter is not there yet. He had two uneven years in 18 and 19. But if he stays healthy (in a very injury prone event) he will dominate like Zelezny did for a few more years. The javelin and discus are more depended on wind etc than shot put. Historically, there are 7 throwers in the top 10 shot put but in javelin it is now down to two athletes as Vetter kicked out Roehlers best with his two of last weekend.
I read yesterday that Vetter is taking some time off (unknown for how long) as a medical examination showed that he has a minor injury after last weekend. I would say it's still early in the season for someone to bet all his money in a victory at the Olympics. Yes, the odds look good for him, but can he keep or even improve his shape till August???
He is unbeaten since August 2019 (18-straight wins), and clearly one of the best in the world, but I think his championships record disqualifies him from the "most dominant in all of T&F" list:
2016 Olympics: 4th
2019 World Championships: 3rd
2017 World Championships: 1st
2015 World Championships: 7th
2018 European Championships: 5th
2016 European Championships: 16th (missed final)
Before 2017 he was not dominating at all, usually Roehler was more consistent. If Vetter now dominates for several years one could make claims including 2017 through 19 but I think he was not good enough in 18-19 for dominating anything.
Ridiculous post
powerguys wrote:
No jumper, sprinter or distance runner is so way ahead of everyone. Is Vetter ... the most dominant guy in the last 10 years in a discipline
Um, ever heard of Christian Taylor?
2011 World Championships - GOLD
2012 Olympics - GOLD
2013 World Championships - 4th
2015 World Championships - GOLD
2016 Olympics - GOLD
2017 World Championships - GOLD
2019 World Championships - GOLD
#2 (2015) and #4 (2017) longest jumps in history.
Not too shabby for the last 10 years.
What? So it looks like the post is regarding domination in a single year.
2019, Taylor was not even #1
2017, Taylor was 1st by only .2 meters and Claye had 3 out of the top 5 marks that year
2016, Taylor was ahead of Claye by a mere .1 meter
2015, Taylor was 1st by only .13 meters and Pablo had 5 out of the top 8 marks
2012, Taylor was 1st by only .19 meters and had only 3 out of top 5 times
2011 Taylor was 1st by a mere 0.05meters and only had two out top 10 jumps that year.
2021 Vetter has 5 out the top 5 throws, is the only guy above 90 meters and leads 2nd place by almost 10 meters. Taylor never dominated a year like that. Not even close.
powerguys wrote:
No jumper, sprinter or distance runner is so way ahead of everyone.
Did you see Nico Young his senior year?
I thought Cornell and Staley were more intense in their brilliance, but you cannot deny Vetter's staying power.
Mariya Lasitskene won 45 straight competitions from 2016 and 2018, and also won three straight world titles in 2015, 2017 and 2019. (She was not allowed to compete in Rio.)
Anita Wlodarczyk won two Olympic golds (2012 and 2016), three world titles (2013, 2015 and 2017) and four European titles (2012, 2014, 2016 and 2018). She also owns top 15 marks in history, and 25 of the top 30.
But of course, most posters on this board don't pay much attention to women.
45?? That sounds unbelievable. Although I still wonder if she was ever 10% better than the the closest competitor in her performances like Vetter is. It's like jumping 2.20 when the next closest competitor is @ 2.00. That's the chasm between Vetter and everyone else right now.
No he's definitely not theost dominant athlete of the last ten years.
On the contrary, is he the least dominant athlete to be knocking the on the door of the world record? (Excluding road racing here.)
Maybe Ayana or Gidey have a shout here.
In terms of the biggest favourite for the Olympics, I'd say Crouser is number one followed by Kipchoge, Rojas, Cheruiyot. Vetter is in the next tier where he should win but there are bigger threats to them, see: Lyles, Miller-Uibo, Chepkoech, Holloway, Cheptegei.
But he is in a single year in the past 10. Last guy I remember that dominated like this in a year was Bubka. No, its not like Ayana wins by two laps. Not even like Warholm, who dominated last year but it wasn't quite this big of a gap and it wasnt an Olympic year with everyone participating.
Crouser is definitely not more favored for gold at this point than Vetter. Thats cray cray.
We're only at the start of June.
Anita Wlodarczyk is your winner here anyway and let's say 2016 was the year: went unbeaten for multiple years, 3 metres+ further than anyone else in history, the entire all time top ten is her.
Remember Valerie Adams and Caster Semenya too.