1500/5Kfan wrote:
according to strava the other day they ran 10 by 1000 at 3k down to mile pace and drew closed in like 2:27 or something. seems like a much harder workout than their usual tom shwartz stuff. maybe thats why they left him
They later deleted that post on Strava and put out a statement saying that that post was false and they're trying to find out who posted it. They then reference their YouTube if you want to see their actual workouts
I haven't read through this thread yet, but a few thoughts come to mind.
1. These workouts are being done at altitude...so, the pace is sort of secondary to the session.
2. This is a stand-alone session...meaning, you don't know that they didn't do something really hard and intense 2-3 days earlier and maybe this isn't meant to be that hard.
3. Again, it's a stand-alone session. We don't know what the weeks leading into this one session have looked like. Volume, intensity, etc.
I don't normally defend TME, but I think this one session doesn't really tell us much about why they have stagnated a bit. But, I would say that there are some interesting tidbits you can take away from the video.
Such as when Sam decides to take the workout into his own hands, which leads to some awkward moments with Jeff and Reed. Their comments are pretty interesting, as well as how the coach (Leslie) responds to what's going on.
Moen and Wanders wouldn't be my example on whom to compare to...unless of course you want over-trained and under-performing athletes to be the example...
Doesn't Moen tempo 10ks faster than he races
tadgeridoo wrote:
1500/5Kfan wrote:
according to strava the other day they ran 10 by 1000 at 3k down to mile pace and drew closed in like 2:27 or something. seems like a much harder workout than their usual tom shwartz stuff. maybe thats why they left him
They later deleted that post on Strava and put out a statement saying that that post was false and they're trying to find out who posted it. They then reference their YouTube if you want to see their actual workouts
Do you have a link to the statement you claim they put out?
optional wrote:
I haven't read through this thread yet, but a few thoughts come to mind.
1. These workouts are being done at altitude...so, the pace is sort of secondary to the session.
2. This is a stand-alone session...meaning, you don't know that they didn't do something really hard and intense 2-3 days earlier and maybe this isn't meant to be that hard.
3. Again, it's a stand-alone session. We don't know what the weeks leading into this one session have looked like. Volume, intensity, etc.
I don't normally defend TME, but I think this one session doesn't really tell us much about why they have stagnated a bit. But, I would say that there are some interesting tidbits you can take away from the video.
Such as when Sam decides to take the workout into his own hands, which leads to some awkward moments with Jeff and Reed. Their comments are pretty interesting, as well as how the coach (Leslie) responds to what's going on.
Altitude is a good point. I haven't been able to find any workouts on their youtube page in which they do significant volume at race pace. It's not just this one single workout.
Now, they could only be posting the "soft" workouts and keeping the tough ones secret, but I kind of doubt it.
As well, they likely aren't doing significant volume. Drew said in an interview a week ago that he's only doing 60 mpw, and checking his strava his max is around 75-80 mpw.
I doubt the other guys are doing much more than that.
This group has no idea what they're doing, and the results show it. They are pursuing a light high school training level, for someone who doesn't want to "burn out," only they've been doing it forever.
I lived in Boulder for ten years, running a bit too hard nearly all the time, and didn't amount to anything. I see a lot of my mistakes in what they're doing. Have at it.
Maybe they are racing soon. What a concept.
NERunner353 wrote:
Maybe they are racing soon. What a concept.
This was 3 weeks ago. Again, as I've said maybe 5 times in this thread, watch their other videos to fully understand what I'm saying. Very little volume at race pace or faster.
optional wrote:
I haven't read through this thread yet, but a few thoughts come to mind.
1. These workouts are being done at altitude...so, the pace is sort of secondary to the session.
2. This is a stand-alone session...meaning, you don't know that they didn't do something really hard and intense 2-3 days earlier and maybe this isn't meant to be that hard.
3. Again, it's a stand-alone session. We don't know what the weeks leading into this one session have looked like. Volume, intensity, etc.
I don't normally defend TME, but I think this one session doesn't really tell us much about why they have stagnated a bit. But, I would say that there are some interesting tidbits you can take away from the video.
Such as when Sam decides to take the workout into his own hands, which leads to some awkward moments with Jeff and Reed. Their comments are pretty interesting, as well as how the coach (Leslie) responds to what's going on.
I mean, just from the video:
1) yes, no argument there.
2) they make a BIG deal in the video about this being a hard session, a big workout, etc. It's hard to conclude anything other than this workout was meant to be difficult. Further, they're in racing season with all of them needing to perform well, so it's not really plausible that they are in a super hard training block.
3) Again, it's just not likely that they are in a very hard training block (and if they are, that is just catastrophic mismanagement).
Agree that Parsons randomly deciding to hammer a rep is straight weird. It's the kind of thing a high school runner does, not a serious professional. This is just not how a serious runner handles workouts - blasting off for the cameras.
Sounds like the most logical observation!
Let them have fun and do what they enjoy doing.
stopped reading at "don't know the rest"
Drew ran a 4 or 5-mile tempo at 5:07 average, and said it was 80-percent effort, which was good 'for the day' or something. Far too much of this pussyfooting around. In this group, you've got a bunch of pretenders afraid to put in the work, and a hotshot who can't keep it in his pants - the "German" Parsons.
I'd been thinking The Athlete Special was the slowest dude on the planet. Now I'm not so sure he doesn't have competition here.
Look, I'm not defending TME here. In fact, I think they are a joke of a group.
But, I also know that you can't watch one youtube video, without knowing the rest between reps, without knowing what they did 2-3 days before, or what they did 2-3 days after, etc. and think you know about their training.
They've also recently gone through a coaching change...so we don't know what is a staple session for them, etc.
There's just too much to not know and make any sort of good analysis.
I'm also willing to bet that they are able to keep the branding that they have because of the following they've created. Young high schoolers and college kids probably eat up this video thinking it was awesome and tough, etc.
Ah, just the old average 13:50 5km and what-not.