FINALLY! The Swedish model is vindicated!

Thanks. Good to know that Belarus, which did absolutely nothing is doing about average vs the rest of the NAZI-like imposed Euro lockdowns.

I thought your thread was going to be about a female who made her living through posing for pictures or strutting down runways.

Sweetness wrote:

Thanks. Good to know that Belarus, which did absolutely nothing is doing about average vs the rest of the NAZI-like imposed Euro lockdowns.

Agreed! Belarus is truly a beacon of freedom in Europe!!

You're correct. Much more so than police state UK.

Sweetness wrote:

You're correct. Much more so than police state UK.

I really respect Belarus's commitment to freedom of the press and fair/free elections!

Cool chart. Typically misleading too since a) countries like the UK are using 25ct tests, so almost no one is positive, and b) countries like Sweden are using 45ct tests, so basically almost everyone is positive.

Wow. Amazing. It only took 3 waves and thousands of deaths and trashing their economy just the same as everyone else.

leftist meltdown wrote:

Cool chart. Typically misleading too since a) countries like the UK are using 25ct tests, so almost no one is positive, and b) countries like Sweden are using 45ct tests, so basically almost everyone is positive.

So now it's the tests are sensitive enough in the UK? I can't keep up. There's always an excuse.

First the UK was labeling too many things a COVID case, now it's apparently too little? How convenient to just 180-degree change the argument when the data doesn't support the narrative.

I think the vaccines just work really well. That seems to be the most likely.

2600 bro wrote:

Swedens anti-lockdown, herd-immunity-through-infection model is finally reaping dividends!

They've reached herd immunity (you mightve been told that happened last June, September, or December... but hey) and are doing much better than the rest of Europe!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2OAoQQXMAMGck4?format=png&name=4096x4096

Congrats you cherry-picked a data point to make your point that may not even be accurate due to delays in reporting and how much countries invest in testing.

As far as deaths per capita which is the important measurement, Sweden is 24th in Europe far below many lockdown-heavy nations.

So I'll repeat to the Covid fear mongers what has been said over and over again. Covid lockdowns or restrictions have a cost, demonstrate to us that they make a significant impact on outcomes. To this point, you have not. Even in states, Florida did just as good as heavy-handed California and better than New York or New Jersey. There has been no demonstrated ability to control the spread of this virus and no proven benefit to the restrictions once costs are factored in. The best strategy has been to try to protect the ~5% of the population that is most likely to die of covid and then let everyone chose for themselves what their risk tolerance is.

Sweden like Brazil and like India all messed up.

I am a Trump guy but I always said he got it wrong too, he should have taken the pandemic seriously.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

The best strategy has been to try to protect the ~5% of the population that is most likely to die of covid and then let everyone chose for themselves what their risk tolerance is.

Yes that's the best strategy but it proved impossible. Both Sweden and UK abandoned that plan in mere weeks.

Mitigations work - you can see from vast variety of outcomes across countries.

Did they work in the US? Hard to say. San Francisco had some of the strictest measures and some of the lowest deaths of any major city.

Do people in the US follow the rules? Data seem to suggest that in strict places people behaved more lax than the rules and in lax places they behaved more strictly. It's like the true behavioral variation was much smaller than the statutory variation!

Florida did not do as well as California even though the latter was much more exposed to the virus initially from China, it being on the Pacific Rim. Florida has suppressed its rate by among other things firing a data scientist not willing to play DeSantis's game.

California 1593

Florida 1704

Excess deaths, which are usually within 1-2% year to year, rose 22.9% in 2020 in the U.S. COVID's official death total accounts for 72% of that. Much of the remainder were COVID deaths not labeled as such. 7 out of the 10 states with the highest excess deaths were typically Republican controlled states. Florida had 18% excess deaths and 148 excess deaths per 100,000 (1480/million) to just 127 per 100,000 (1270/million) in California. So, Florida did substantially worse than California.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210403/50-state-analysis-finds-excess-deaths-from-COVID-19-and-other-causes-in-the-US.aspx

Sweden did incredibly poorly in comparison to other Scandinavian countries around it. Belgium was surrounded by France, Germany, and other countries with a lot of virus. So, you'd expect higher rates, but Sweden had barely any exposure and yet magnified that into the 24th worst death rate, about three to four times that of Denmark, and 10 times Norway and Finland. Moreover, the data chart the OP put up identifies Sweden as having the worst rate of infection as of May 24, not the best.

Sweden 1414 deaths/million

Denmark 432

Finland 168

Norway 143

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Florida did just as [well] as heavy-handed California and better than New York or New Jersey.

Uh huh. And in the last seven days had the highest death rate among the Lower 48:

Plus Florida has had *more* total deaths per capita than California:

But other than that: sure Jan.

xczvzxcv wrote:

Florida did not do as well as California even though the latter was much more exposed to the virus initially from China, it being on the Pacific Rim. Florida has suppressed its rate by among other things firing a data scientist not willing to play DeSantis's game.

A narrative that's been thoroughly debunked.

I am a Trump guy but wrote:

Sweden like Brazil and like India all messed up.

I am a Trump guy but I always said he got it wrong too, he should have taken the pandemic seriously.

No you're not. You're a leftist pretending to be a Trump guy anonymously online.

Harambe wrote:

leftist meltdown wrote:

Cool chart. Typically misleading too since a) countries like the UK are using 25ct tests, so almost no one is positive, and b) countries like Sweden are using 45ct tests, so basically almost everyone is positive.

So now it's the tests are sensitive enough in the UK? I can't keep up. There's always an excuse.

First the UK was labeling too many things a COVID case, now it's apparently too little? How convenient to just 180-degree change the argument when the data doesn't support the narrative.

I think the vaccines just work really well. That seems to be the most likely.

Of course you can't keep up, that's why you're always confused. Guess they're doing the same thing that they're starting to do here...started with one type of PCR testing then switched to a much less sensitive test but only for the vaxxed.

party like it's end of days wrote:

Harambe wrote:

So now it's the tests are sensitive enough in the UK? I can't keep up. There's always an excuse.

First the UK was labeling too many things a COVID case, now it's apparently too little? How convenient to just 180-degree change the argument when the data doesn't support the narrative.

I think the vaccines just work really well. That seems to be the most likely.

Of course you can't keep up, that's why you're always confused. Guess they're doing the same thing that they're starting to do here...started with one type of PCR testing then switched to a much less sensitive test but only for the vaxxed.

Ohh I see. They ask you before you get swabbed "do you have the vax" and then the secret MI6 vaccine police reprogram the RT-PCR machine to prop up the Pfizer-NWO.

The liberals need some time to pass before they can learn things. They are not an advanced form of society. Give them time and maybe they can catch up but perhaps they're stuck in their Neanderthal ways of cognitive ability .

R.O.C.C.W.C. wrote:

xczvzxcv wrote:

Florida did not do as well as California even though the latter was much more exposed to the virus initially from China, it being on the Pacific Rim. Florida has suppressed its rate by among other things firing a data scientist not willing to play DeSantis's game.

A narrative that's been thoroughly debunked.

Which, of course, doesn't change the FACT that Florida has had more *total* deaths per population unit than California AND the highest *recent* seven-day Covid-19 death rate among the Lower 48.