Bummbull wrote:
What baffles me is that people here in Seattle would utilize CDC as source of truth until it’s not convenient for them. Now that for some reason they don’t agree with CDC, and says it’s too lenient? That, I just don’t get.
The CDC is like the Torah, and Seattle is an ultra-orthodox Jewish community that implements much stricter rules on top of the Torah, to avoid violating the Torah.
seattle prattle wrote:
Bummbull wrote:
What baffles me is that people here in Seattle would utilize CDC as source of truth until it’s not convenient for them. Now that for some reason they don’t agree with CDC, and says it’s too lenient? That, I just don’t get.
CDC is very clear and it says follow local and workplace guidelines. If you disregard this recommendation from the CDC, you are not utilizing their guidance.
DCD knows that different conditions exist in different areas and catered their recommendation with it in mind.
Hmm, I guess I don’t see it as being clear. CDC states masks are not required if fully vaccinated in most situations and to follow local ordinances. Then, King County states as “strongly encouraged” to wear a mask whether or not vaccinated.
To me, strongly encouraged is not clear especially since CDC states that masks are not required for fully vaccinated in most situations.
On top of this, it’s less clear when one of the biggest if not the biggest employer in King County, Amazon, has now stated masks are not required for fully vaccinated in the office. As well as large employers like Starbucks and Target not requiring masks in the stores anymore in King County.
So to me, this is pretty confusing.
seattle prattle wrote:
Bummbull wrote:
Also, one more thing that’s confusing is Governor Inslee stating that Washington state has lifted its mask mandate for people who are fully vaccinated.
Then on King County website, it’s still stating that all residents are strongly encouraged to wear masks. Now, this is very confusing.
As well as the example I gave earlier that the WF that I visited clearly had a sign that masks are optional for fully vaccinated people.
On top of this my employer who is HQ in Seattle, Amazon, they stated that masks are not required in the office for fully vaccinated people. Amazon is mostly located in King County.
Some of it is the difference between a mandate and a recommendation, so i would be led to believe. They may recommend masks be worn in public places that are indoors and a bit confined, like restaraunts and grocery stores, but not require it of those who are vaccinated.
But wearing the mask also protects family members and community members, and many of these may be at high risk or not vaccinated. A vaccine is not 100% effective, so even a vaccinated person could get infected, and then could pass it along to unvaccinated family member (say a child) before the symptoms even appear. A lot is not known, so many people just figure it's easy enough to play it on the safe side and wear a mask, for now.
Your second paragraph, it contradicts with CDC. If there was risk for fully vaccinated people to be out and spread more COVID, why would CDC change its guideline? What you’re bringing up is heresay and not actual science from what CDC is recommending.
It’s true that vaccinated people could still get COVID, but severe cases and deaths are near zero with people who are vaccinated.
Fear of passing onto children, I don’t know. If this was really a concern, I don’t think CDC would’ve changed their stance if this were actually a concern.
Hardloper wrote:
Bummbull wrote:
What baffles me is that people here in Seattle would utilize CDC as source of truth until it’s not convenient for them. Now that for some reason they don’t agree with CDC, and says it’s too lenient? That, I just don’t get.
The CDC is like the Torah, and Seattle is an ultra-orthodox Jewish community that implements much stricter rules on top of the Torah, to avoid violating the Torah.
Yes, this is a great explanation.
Or, do you think people are afraid of getting attacked by Karens in Seattle? Or be seen as a Trumper?
Bummbull wrote:
seattle prattle wrote:
CDC is very clear and it says follow local and workplace guidelines. If you disregard this recommendation from the CDC, you are not utilizing their guidance.
DCD knows that different conditions exist in different areas and catered their recommendation with it in mind.
Hmm, I guess I don’t see it as being clear. CDC states masks are not required if fully vaccinated in most situations and to follow local ordinances. Then, King County states as “strongly encouraged” to wear a mask whether or not vaccinated.
To me, strongly encouraged is not clear especially since CDC states that masks are not required for fully vaccinated in most situations.
On top of this, it’s less clear when one of the biggest if not the biggest employer in King County, Amazon, has now stated masks are not required for fully vaccinated in the office. As well as large employers like Starbucks and Target not requiring masks in the stores anymore in King County.
So to me, this is pretty confusing.
Ok, kinda 'mashugana', if you will.
Bummbull wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
The CDC is like the Torah, and Seattle is an ultra-orthodox Jewish community that implements much stricter rules on top of the Torah, to avoid violating the Torah.
Yes, this is a great explanation.
Or, do you think people are afraid of getting attacked by Karens in Seattle? Or be seen as a Trumper?
That explains why King County's guidelines are stricter than the CDC's guidelines, not necessarily why individuals choose to do what they do. But yes, individuals don't want to be seen as Trumpers. As more people go without masks, non-masking will snowball and reach a tipping point. The Karen factor is real, but less so because in Seattle's reserved and non-confrontational culture, people judge you silently. The videos of shouting matches over masks come from places like Staten Island which are moderate red but more confrontational.
Like any adoption curve, it has to start somewhere. There are probably 3 or 4 other people in the store who weren't sure or didn't want to be the first without a mask but now that they saw you they'll be happy to go without from now on. And it will start the process of, as Rachel Maddow put it, "re-wiring" themselves not to be afraid of a virus to which they aren't vulnerable and which you can't spread to them.
Hardloper wrote:
Like any adoption curve, it has to start somewhere. There are probably 3 or 4 other people in the store who weren't sure or didn't want to be the first without a mask but now that they saw you they'll be happy to go without from now on. And it will start the process of, as Rachel Maddow put it, "re-wiring" themselves not to be afraid of a virus to which they aren't vulnerable and which you can't spread to them.
Yea, it’ll be a slow process but hopefully Seattle will reach a tipping point soon.
Even Rachel Maddow is fine without masks for fully vaccinated. Come on, if she’s fine, everyone in Seattle should be fine! Even though there will be some rewiring that needs to happen.
Film Rep wrote:
Bummbull wrote:
I thought the left was all about following the science
Hahahahahaha
Their hypocrisy on climate change proves that it’s all about the virtue signaling and zero about the science.
What do you think scientists think about climate change?
Everyone knows that only about 49% of the people are fully vaccinated, so 51% are unvaccinated. The virus is spread almost entirely indoors in maskless situations. No one can look at another person and know whether they have been vaccinated. There was about 95% protection for Pfizer, a bit less for Moderna, and 76% or something like that for J and J. Hence, there remains a significant, not a big chance, but pretty solid chance of catching it if you go maskless often indoors around a lot of other people. Hence, the caution. The higher the population vaccination rate, the less likely the virus will be around and the less likely hence to catch it. The CDC guidelines are going to be much wiser to follow in a place like Seattle with high vaccination rates and low COVID infection rates than in Florida or Tejas.
I was being distracted every other second. I meant to say that 49% have received at least one dose. About a third are fully vaccinated. So, there are a lot of people out there, about 2/3, with partial vaccination at most.
Always good to be the one a**hole I. The room.
kumquat wrote:
Always good to be the one a**hole I. The room.
Living in a world where someone who is at zero risk to catch or spread the virus is somehow an a-hole. But "let's not make Covid political."
You won't get an answer wrote:
kumquat wrote:
Always good to be the one a**hole I. The room.
Living in a world where someone who is at zero risk to catch or spread the virus is somehow an a-hole. But "let's not make Covid political."
I’ve read on this thread and heard from some of my left leaning friends that they still wear a mask, even though not required and the science says it’s no longer necessary, simply because they don’t want to be confused for an antimasking trumper.
Those who still insist COVID isn’t/wasn’t at least partially political are terribly naive. This applies for both sides of the political spectrum.
zcxvzxcv wrote:
Everyone knows that only about 49% of the people are fully vaccinated, so 51% are unvaccinated. The virus is spread almost entirely indoors in maskless situations. No one can look at another person and know whether they have been vaccinated. There was about 95% protection for Pfizer, a bit less for Moderna, and 76% or something like that for J and J. Hence, there remains a significant, not a big chance, but pretty solid chance of catching it if you go maskless often indoors around a lot of other people. Hence, the caution. The higher the population vaccination rate, the less likely the virus will be around and the less likely hence to catch it. The CDC guidelines are going to be much wiser to follow in a place like Seattle with high vaccination rates and low COVID infection rates than in Florida or Tejas.
What about the ~25% of people that already had Covid?
That would mean ~75% are at no or very, very low risk.
Of the remaining ~25% who have not had Covid or vaccine, ~13% are over the age of 65.
So, using this basic estimation, ~3% of the population is "at risk".
Im no math expert, but I do know that Carl Lewis is the GOAT...
"Lewis also long jumped over 28 feet seventy-one times."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_LewisBummbull wrote:
... if you’re vaccinated, what’s the point of wearing the mask?
This thread is TL;DR
As for OP's comments-- There are still a lot of unknowns with both the vaccine and the virus. Most importantly we still don't know how effective vaccine's will be against variants. Wearing a mask in a grocery store is something simple you can do to help protect yourself from these unknowns.
aaazx wrote:
your life must be action packed.
Definitely wore a mask while typing this at home.
The left has not followed science explicitly for at least a decade with the whole trans/blm/feminist garbage. What science they do follow is as biased as "christian science"
That said, the vaccine is only 95% effective so why risk it? Fully vaccinated people have caught covid. I don't wear a mask outside, but I don't see the big deal about doing it inside unless you're a 40 year old channeling your inner teen rebel.
As a bonus, like many others have said, this was the first year they didn't catch a cold. I'd rather wear a mask for the 20 minutes when I'm at a store then miss two weeks of training.
Masked Poster wrote:
Bummbull wrote:
... if you’re vaccinated, what’s the point of wearing the mask?
This thread is TL;DR
As for OP's comments-- There are still a lot of unknowns with both the vaccine and the virus. Most importantly we still don't know how effective vaccine's will be against variants. Wearing a mask in a grocery store is something simple you can do to help protect yourself from these unknowns.
Hi goalposts, why you move so much????
qqqqq wrote:
The left has not followed science explicitly for at least a decade with the whole trans/blm/feminist garbage. What science they do follow is as biased as "christian science"
That said, the vaccine is only 95% effective so why risk it? Fully vaccinated people have caught covid. I don't wear a mask outside, but I don't see the big deal about doing it inside unless you're a 40 year old channeling your inner teen rebel.
As a bonus, like many others have said, this was the first year they didn't catch a cold. I'd rather wear a mask for the 20 minutes when I'm at a store then miss two weeks of training.
1) You clearly have a work from home bubble. There are people who have been wearing masks for 8+ hours a day who are sick of them.
2) You have to miss 2 weeks of running for a cold?!? You are the last person that should be wearing a mask then. Get your immune system some exercise man.