Very Sad news to hear about these runner's & the rest of the crew, it's better to be safe that sorry.
Well Pray For Them For Sure!!!!
Be Safe always on your runs.
Very Sad news to hear about these runner's & the rest of the crew, it's better to be safe that sorry.
Well Pray For Them For Sure!!!!
Be Safe always on your runs.
facts and reason wrote:
It's possible the race organizers demanded that the athletes run in tough weather conditions if they care more about money than the wellbeing of the runners. This type of race would have been canceled in America.
Not true. There’s been runners caught in lightning storms at Hard Rock and storms at the top of Hope’s Pass at Leadville. How has Laz not been sued yet? It’s amazing situations like this don’t happen more often around the world, even with required gear. I wonder how this will impact the future of sponsorships and insurance for trail races.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Odd. Finding pictures of Chinese in winter clothing is not hard:
https://estaticos.efe.com/efecom/recursos2/imagen.aspx?lVW2oAh2vjMN5uVLnCxE-P-2f6U7kVHy4cpHQ4TncnkXVSTX-P-2bAoG0sxzXPZPAk5l-P-2fU5UaN4X0ml4aaWK-P-2frAOlO4QKw-P-3d-P-3d
80% of the people in that photo have turned to ice.
facts and reason wrote:
It's possible the race organizers demanded that the athletes run in tough weather conditions if they care more about money than the wellbeing of the runners. This type of race would have been canceled in America.
The sweatshops, the human rights abuses, the eating of dogs, etc. show Chinese evil.
Leftists and Democrats shout about "Russian collusion", but there's a noticeable silence about China, which is set to become the largest economy in the world.
The SILENCE ABOUT CHINA can not be understated. Countries and their govts are scared to stand up to China because China is so powerful. Anyone who slights China will immediately face economic sanctions and possibly other "punishments." If covid originated in Russia, the narrative would be different but of course China gets a pass on all their BS because they are a top dog. People need to wake up.
A Racing the Planet event in Australia was marred by serious burns to runners when caught by a bushfire the organisers could have avoided.
Haven't seen that company back in Australia since
But China....???
facts and reason wrote:
It's possible the race organizers demanded that the athletes run in tough weather conditions if they care more about money than the wellbeing of the runners. This type of race would have been canceled in America.
The sweatshops, the human rights abuses, the eating of dogs, etc. show Chinese evil.
Leftists and Democrats shout about "Russian collusion", but there's a noticeable silence about China, which is set to become the largest economy in the world.
Sure feels good making pious judgement about a couple dozen runners caught in freak storm while we watch our Sunday football mega-industry at work wreaking lifelong debilitating head injuries every game, every season, to how many unfortunate players?
What were you saying about caring about money more than the wellbeing of the athletes?
Having only space blankets required as protective gear for a race in high mountain terrain is ridiculous and negligent. Of course the most competitive racers will take the lights gear possible, and it looks like they paid the most dearly for it (probably they are sloe the lowest in body fat to begin with). Heads might literally roll for this.
Only say that because youre bad at it.
People have also died from doing Hardrock. Pacers are also allowed at Hardrock and the aid station set up as well as ATV access and helicopter access is probably a lot easier between towns like Telluride, Ouray and Silverton.. Having been on most of that course (as well as a lot of Leadville) those are actually probably pretty" tame "compared to some of the trails in China (if I had to guess). I've been in some pretty legit high alpine environments in mainland China (as well as the Rockies and Alps etc) ...but those mountains in China especially can get very high and very remote quickly. Those with experience up high know how quickly weather can change and how dangerous it can get. Often it's the thinner and faster runners that get hit with hypothermia first. Shame on all these posters (i.e. Bad Wiggins) making light of this tragedy and spreading misinformation. People like you should be banned from this website. Anonymous coward. RIP to all the victims in this horrible tragedy.
not worth dying for. wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
It's possible the race organizers demanded that the athletes run in tough weather conditions if they care more about money than the wellbeing of the runners. This type of race would have been canceled in America.
Not true. There’s been runners caught in lightning storms at Hard Rock and storms at the top of Hope’s Pass at Leadville. How has Laz not been sued yet? It’s amazing situations like this don’t happen more often around the world, even with required gear. I wonder how this will impact the future of sponsorships and insurance for trail races.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Just how low did the temperature get? Hypothermia takes a while, especially if you're warmed up and moving. And if the weather hit an 11k high altitude stretch, then it's at worst 5.5k from safety in one direction or the other.
Details are missing to make this story add up.
You’ve evidently not spent much time in the mountains. Mother Nature always wins.
A very sad day for the sport.
I think those people blaming the runners or the organisers for this tragedy without adequate (or any) knowledge are reprehensible. Freak storms happen even with a good weather forecast. This is especially true for races that last for 10 hours like a 100km race in the mountains.
With low enough temperatures and high enough winds you might last less than 5 minutes dressed as a runner. That is not enough time to make it far in a blizzard with wet rocks and poor visibility.
Speculation and laying blame at this stage is not helping anyone. It is difficult to make the case that some of the country's best ultramarathoners were poorly prepared. This is a tragedy for those runners, the organisers and the sport in general.
Footman wrote:
A very sad day for the sport.
I think those people blaming the runners or the organisers for this tragedy without adequate (or any) knowledge are reprehensible. Freak storms happen even with a good weather forecast. This is especially true for races that last for 10 hours like a 100km race in the mountains.
With low enough temperatures and high enough winds you might last less than 5 minutes dressed as a runner. That is not enough time to make it far in a blizzard with wet rocks and poor visibility.
Speculation and laying blame at this stage is not helping anyone. It is difficult to make the case that some of the country's best ultramarathoners were poorly prepared. This is a tragedy for those runners, the organisers and the sport in general.
+1 to this and Sages' post.
Bad weather kills people. A fact of life.
Oh, Bad Wiggins is douche bag.
Terrible tragedy. It's a stark reminder of how fragile we are against the elements (even the most pro of runners).
I have to admit, i'm one of those that falls in the guilty camp of questioning whether all the equipment we are required to carry is necessary (things like an extra set of batteries)– but i'm talking 44km in the pyrenees in July. We all want to run free and light like Kilian right? In This particular race the event organisers wouldn't make a call on removing anything from the list until the day before race day (they took off tights and hooded jacket the day before after report of hot weather). However that time of the year, while bad weather can catch you despite a good forecast, it's not going to be as extreme as what happened and the checkpoints means you're never more than an hour away from aid (a very generous estimate). Despite this they are still super strict.
The races in Spain that do tackle more serious terrain, especially non-summer months will absolutely make sure you go prepared. It's rare that they will cancel an event due to bad weather forecast but what is quite common is that they will re-route and cut out the extreme ridges or places you are exposed or where rescue is difficult.
not worth dying for. wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
It's possible the race organizers demanded that the athletes run in tough weather conditions if they care more about money than the wellbeing of the runners. This type of race would have been canceled in America.
Not true. There’s been runners caught in lightning storms at Hard Rock and storms at the top of Hope’s Pass at Leadville. How has Laz not been sued yet? It’s amazing situations like this don’t happen more often around the world, even with required gear. I wonder how this will impact the future of sponsorships and insurance for trail races.
Hardrock for example gives the runners plenty of extra time to hide when a storm happens. They have a procedure written out in their manual. Also only experienced mountain runners can apply at Hardrock in the first place.
Leadville is not that exposed with just one major pass (Hope Pass).
From what I have seen, most mountain ultrarunners in the US know what they are doing and the organizations are well aware of the possible dangers. This would not have happened in the US.
As a US ultrarunner, I guarantee that there are many, many US organizers that are going over emergency plans right now to see what can be revamped and adapted so that something like this never happens here. The ultra community is pretty small and the race organizers I've met are hugely dedicated to the sport and are personally friends with a lot of the people who run their races year after year. They aren't in it to make a profit (luckily) and this is literally a worst nightmare scenario.
highflyer wrote:
As a US ultrarunner, I guarantee that there are many, many US organizers that are going over emergency plans right now to see what can be revamped and adapted so that something like this never happens here. The ultra community is pretty small and the race organizers I've met are hugely dedicated to the sport and are personally friends with a lot of the people who run their races year after year. They aren't in it to make a profit (luckily) and this is literally a worst nightmare scenario.
From what I have seen, US organizers are already pretty good with that.
Brian Cavanagh wrote:
Down loses insulation value when soaked.
Yes. I didn't read about rain. I would carry a gore tex shell along with down. So adding two or three pounds.
Boston 2018 could have become this type of situation. 2,500 runners received medical attention. The BAA was lucky that nobody died.
Bad Wigins wrote:
I have plenty of experience both in mountains
Which ones?
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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