8 fully vaccinated NY Yankees players have covid (+14 days post vaccine)

SDSU Aztec wrote:

jamb inn wrote:

Nope, fully understand that. Of millions, 8 is insignificant.

However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is.

Follow the science/numbers, no?

It's only one player and today's game is still on the schedule. The major league roster is only 26 players. You don't seem well informed.

We're having a discussion with logic and ration. Could you come with a better argument other than trying to discredit me?

agip wrote:

jamb inn wrote:

Could a good strategy just be to reject the vaccine, embrace normal healthy activities like eating fresh fruit/veggies, hand washing, distancing, etc?

I do not feel safe with this. Its kind of akin to not buying the first model year of a car. Let the issues shake out first.

or:

"I do not feel safe joining the Army to defend the nation against fascism. Its kind of akin to blindly rejecting fascism without a test of it first. Let the fascism shake out first."

I mean FFS...to quote Brooks...previous generations were drafted to storm the beaches at Normandy. You are being asked to walk into a CVS and take some medicine hundreds of millions of people have taken without material consequence. Man up.

I served 6 yrs, you are welcome :)

agip wrote:

Ozzie wrote:

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is estimated to be about 70% effective. Meaning that if someone contracts the disease and is in close contact with 30 people (about the size of a baseball team), about 9 other people will get it. Seems like the math worked out just about as it was supposed to.

that's not how the math works.

You have to create two groups.

100 people without vaccine: How many get infected.

100 people with the vaccine: How many get infected.

From that you derive a percentage effectiveness.

Good catch. Also "clusters" are perfectly normal in statistics.

jamb inn wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It's only one player and today's game is still on the schedule. The major league roster is only 26 players. You don't seem well informed.

We're having a discussion with logic and ration. Could you come with a better argument other than trying to discredit me?

Logic and ration (?) includes mistating facts? Your claiming there were 8 players that tested positive and the major league roster is 40 players were false.

wheatshux wrote:

jamb inn wrote:

Nope, fully understand that. Of millions, 8 is insignificant.

However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is.

Follow the science/numbers, no?

^^^^ Fake news. only 1 player. 7 staff persons. Organization as a whole is a lotter bigger than 40 people

Staff vs players, doesnt matter. People are people. Stop trying to skew, diffuse, cause uncertainty. Agree?

What I've posed is fact.

JJ Vac wrote:

NY Yankees got the J&J vaccine, not the Pfizer or Moderna. J&J is not as effective in preventing infection as the other two.

Here is another athlete who got the virus after being vaccinated with the J&J. He got pretty sick as well.

They have reported that all of the people who tested positive were vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. No information available on anyone else, at least that I have seen. But you are right. If everyone didn't get the same treatment, then it's hard to draw conclusions.

jamb inn wrote:

wheatshux wrote:

^^^^ Fake news. only 1 player. 7 staff persons. Organization as a whole is a lotter bigger than 40 people

Staff vs players, doesnt matter. People are people. Stop trying to skew, diffuse, cause uncertainty. Agree?

What I've posed is fact.

Your "20 damn percent" should have been 4%. How can you call that a fact? That was your main point supporting your belief that the vaccine's effectiveness is questionable:

"However, of a 40 man roster that is 20 damn percent. I think this really draws into question how effective the vaccine is."

Butchering both the numerator and denominator is not excused by saying "People are people".

Stupid retards on this message board seem to think getting a vaccine puts up some sort of physical barrier in your nose and throat to stop the virus from getting in. Are you all really that thick?

agip wrote:

Ozzie wrote:

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is estimated to be about 70% effective. Meaning that if someone contracts the disease and is in close contact with 30 people (about the size of a baseball team), about 9 other people will get it. Seems like the math worked out just about as it was supposed to.

that's not how the math works.

You have to create two groups.

100 people without vaccine: How many get infected.

100 people with the vaccine: How many get infected.

From that you derive a percentage effectiveness.

Not necessarily 100 each, but yes. The 72% efficacy is probably the biggest reason s why some people, like Harambe and 2600 bro are such a big advocate of the mRNA vaccine. I tend to agree with them. Certainly if you were hoping to reach herd immunity, though will have a very hard time getting there with a vaccine with a 72% efficacy rate against symptomatic illness.

I also think that, to date, the data regarding really concerning side effects, is better for the mRNA vaccines than, say J&J, and probably AstraZeneca(very early yet on all counts, I know)

Glassdoor has it been between 200 and 500 people. Honestly, that is not an amazingly high rate, but it isn’t great

^200 to 500 people is the size of the Yankee organization

Bill Maher too

https://nypost.com/2021/05/13/bill-maher-contracts-covid-despite-being-vaccinated/

Only one of the eight was symptomatic. And it was mostly staff/coaches and only one player. Without the vaccine, this would have been a very big outbreak. The vaccine is working.

Very few vaccines are 100% effective with sterilizing immunity. Most vaccines have breakthrough infections. This is why everyone needs to get vaccinated. The more people who are unvaccinated, the more chances there are to spread the virus to vaccinated people and have breakthrough infections.

trashcan wrote:

^200 to 500 people is the size of the Yankee organization

This has been told to us by the Yankees. Their traveling party of close contacts is 50-60. 7 staff members and one player got COVID. Only one person, the third base coach Phil Nevin, had a symptomatic case. He was OK after a few days. Every other person was asymptomatic and we likely wouldn't have even known they'd had COVID if not for 3x daily testing. The vaccine worked and worked well ~ probably better than its 72% rate, definitely better than its 85% protection against "moderate-severe cases" and in line with it 100% protection against hospitalizations/deaths. I'd say JNJ is a fine choice, but if you're going to be tested constantly than get the others because your chances of getting an extremely minor case are higher than the others and that will lead to a whole host of quarantine measure.

Precious Roy wrote:

The more people who are unvaccinated, the more chances there are to spread the virus to vaccinated people and have breakthrough infections.

PLUS the more people who are infected, the more opportunities there are for the virus to mutate.

Ivyguy wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

The more people who are unvaccinated, the more chances there are to spread the virus to vaccinated people and have breakthrough infections.

PLUS the more people who are infected, the more opportunities there are for the virus to mutate.

What do you mean by "infected"? Vaccinated people still become infected. We don't know exactly how less likely, if at all, one is to become infected if one has been vaccinated. That will become known over the long-term, years. People are simple-minded and think "95% effective = 5% of experiencing COVID-19". Ummm ... no. If COVID-19 becomes this endemic situation that many experts predict, you are virtually guaranteed to get in the next decade even if you're getting your regularly scheduled booster shots of 95% effectiveness.

Statistically, the difference between supposed 95% effectiveness of some COVID-19 vaccines and the average 50% effectiveness of seasonal flu vaccines is erased after a few years, especially considering that COVID-19 is many more times contagious to begin with.

90% less likely to be infected (as measured by positive pcr test)if taking an mRNA vaccine

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html

jamin wrote:

What do you mean by "infected"? Vaccinated people still become infected. We don't know exactly how less likely, if at all, one is to become infected if one has been vaccinated. That will become known over the long-term, years. People are simple-minded and think "95% effective = 5% of experiencing COVID-19". Ummm ... no. If COVID-19 becomes this endemic situation that many experts predict, you are virtually guaranteed to get in the next decade even if you're getting your regularly scheduled booster shots of 95% effectiveness.

Statistically, the difference between supposed 95% effectiveness of some COVID-19 vaccines and the average 50% effectiveness of seasonal flu vaccines is erased after a few years, especially considering that COVID-19 is many more times contagious to begin with.

Jamin, I don't know where you are getting your information from. There're real world studies backing up the 90-95% efficacy of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines. Why is anyone "virtually guaranteed" to get it? I think your logic is based on some premise that .9*.9 will eventually lead to smaller numbers. That is not at all how this works unless COVID-19 spread resembles this winter every year. I find that unlikely barring some really unfortunate developments.