Insanity: Oregon Track Club is FULLY vaccinated and has tested negative for Covid, but they have pulled out of Oregon Twilight

w5j wrote:

Midwesty Boi wrote:

Stop fear-mongering.

Shut up, stay home, wear 5 masks and let us live.

Thanks.

You're not a good enough athlete to merit that request.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

That's why they do contact tracing.

Young, vaccinated, healthy are not guarantees.

Thank you to the OTC Elite for being responsible.

Last I checked around 90 people who had been vaccinated in the US have died of Covid. If you say your chances of dying of Covid if vaccinated are 1 in a million that is factually correct.

If we continue this abundance of caution nonsense we will destroy the quality of life in the US doing far more damage than Covid.

What if the worry isn't dying from Covid, but inadvertently getting another athlete sick with Covid right when they are peak training for the Olympic trials? Would that make it worth skipping an inconsequential meet out of abundance of caution?

Unfortunately, this is not going to be an isolated example. The fear mongering by the media and politicians over the past year a long with the constant feeling that one needs to virtue signal has traumatized and metaphorical paralyzed many.

We could have 100% of the country vaccinated and still there will be a substantial amount of individuals unwilling to go into big crowds or even allow big crowds to gather due to the minimal possibility one could still catch COVID or that there might be some vaccine resistant variant lingering about.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Unfortunately, this is not going to be an isolated example. The fear mongering by the media and politicians over the past year a long with the constant feeling that one needs to virtue signal has traumatized and metaphorical paralyzed many.

We could have 100% of the country vaccinated and still there will be a substantial amount of individuals unwilling to go into big crowds or even allow big crowds to gather due to the minimal possibility one could still catch COVID or that there might be some vaccine resistant variant lingering about.

COVID is becoming more political by the day. People don’t want to be seen as going against “the science” while in reality COVID and it’s restrictions is just becoming another non scientific religion complete with its rituals (masking, six foot rule, etc) and its saints (faucci).

Ghost1 wrote:

The madness continues with no end in sight. If this horrific situation ever ends future generations will look on the way this pandemic/infodemic was organized and controlled as complete lunacy.

That was my thought too but I just came across this article on Damion Lee of the Warriors. This dispels 2 myths: Vaccinated people cannot get covid and young healthy people cannot get sick. I guess it's rare but still...

Why do people care so much. It has 0 impact on your life.

Every COVID death and severe illness at this point is 100% preventable and a complete failure of public health. The vaccines work incredibly well. Dropping our guard at this point is incredibly stupid in that it allows people to get sick and die who would have otherwise lived a long healthy life had they just been given a few more weeks to get vaccinated. It is also incredibly important to reduce transmission rates as much as possible to help reach the herd immunity threshold sooner and with as low a % of the population vaccinated as possible because there are a significant number anti-vaxxers out there.

ummmmmmmm wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Last I checked around 90 people who had been vaccinated in the US have died of Covid. If you say your chances of dying of Covid if vaccinated are 1 in a million that is factually correct.

If we continue this abundance of caution nonsense we will destroy the quality of life in the US doing far more damage than Covid.

What if the worry isn't dying from Covid, but inadvertently getting another athlete sick with Covid right when they are peak training for the Olympic trials? Would that make it worth skipping an inconsequential meet out of abundance of caution?

^This. It's easy for people posting here to criticize but what if you knew that 2021 was realistically your only chance to make an Olympic team. Would you risk that to run in this meet, even knowing the odds are very low that you would get sick?

ummmmmmmm wrote:

When the pandemic started the general population was told not to go out and hoard masks because they were needed for healthcare workers. A month or two later when the mask supply chain was adequate to support everyone, all the dummies pointed to the fact that they were told not to hoard masks early on as evidence that masks were not necessary.

I have no problem wearing a mask, but that's not what we were told. We were told there was no need to have masks, but then Fauci changed course, said masks were good and retroactively claimed the only reason he said not to have masks was to save them for healthcare workers.

joecmeshe wrote:

Why do people care so much. It has 0 impact on your life.

90% + of the things discussed on this board will have no impact on the posters’ lives.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

The CDC is not necessarily being scientifically responsible.

Lol, this is trolling taken way too far. Well done up to this point I guess, but you went too hard with this statement.

That's trolling?

So when the CDC suggests that President Biden not wear a mask outside because he needs to be "projecting hope," that's scientifically responsible ?

Nope. Hope is not a medical or disease issue.

It's irresponsible. My point holds.

w5j wrote:

Midwesty Boi wrote:

Stop fear-mongering.

Shut up, stay home, wear 5 masks and let us live.

Thanks.

Covidiots: if you’re worried or scared, stay home and let us live how we want.

Oregon club: We’re worried so we’re going to stay home. That’s our personal choice and it doesn’t impact you at all.

Covidiots: HOW DARE YOU MAKE THAT CHOICE!!!!!

Y’all just like being triggered 😂

an abundance of lameness wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

That's why they do contact tracing.

Young, vaccinated, healthy are not guarantees.

Thank you to the OTC Elite for being responsible.

This isn’t even keeping with CDC guidance. Fully vaccinated people don’t need to quarantine after a known exposure...nevermind contacts of close contacts that are also fully vaxxed.

This isn’t “being responsible,” it’s superstitious quackery.

Or it's being cautious in an Olympic year. Why do people have to have such sharp feelings on this? Yeah, the risk might be low for them to show up but they're making a decision that they think will keep their athletes healthy. I'm fine with it. I'd be fine if they show up. Both can be right.

an abundance of lameness wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

That's why they do contact tracing.

Young, vaccinated, healthy are not guarantees.

Thank you to the OTC Elite for being responsible.

This isn’t even keeping with CDC guidance. Fully vaccinated people don’t need to quarantine after a known exposure...nevermind contacts of close contacts that are also fully vaxxed.

This isn’t “being responsible,” it’s superstitious quackery.

Exactly

prefan wrote:

So go wrap yourself in bubble wrap, never leave your house, have your meals delivered, and you'll likely be very safe and you will stay alive. But simply staying alive is not living a life.

"A ship in harbor is safe. But that's not what ships are for."

NAUSUX:

Blankenship

Ah ha ha ha! Did anyone else chuckle when they saw NAUSUX's comment, not in response to prefan's platitude but just below it? It's like a pun, but with no obvious joke. Just a terrific cosmic congruency. Definitely my favorite part of this thread.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

They are listening to science.

The CDC is not necessarily being scientifically responsible.

But epidemiology and virology and yes, Dr. Fauci would support and still support contact tracing efforts especially in areas where cases are rising...like Oregon.

Therefore, there is everything right that OTC Elite is doing with regard to the science of mitigation of spread.

Obviously, the utmost precautionary step is to not compete.

They are listening.

So the thing is, the likelihood you are just some regular tw@t on a message board who knows no more than the rest of us on this topic is really high. That's why I read your posts and am almost like, this person is just too self-righteous, too completely adamant here to be serious and is just being sarcastic to get a rise out of everyone. I am really beginning to lean this way - in which case I applaud you.

Gettin a negative test is really all they should need to do. If they want to be crazy cautious, then this is the move. Transmitting outdoors was always really low but it’s now microscopic with their vaccines and a likely minuscule viral load and no symptoms. So I’d say racing would have been totally fine.

That's the narrative you -would - want to see. I'd expect no less. It saves you from examining your own values. No no. You'll just run the anxiety off because it's easier to face the pavement than yourself in case some, or a good portion, of what I claim, proffer or posit makes you think outside of the comfort zone of your running club's values. If i must be made into a sarcastic troll to make you feel whole, have at it.