I don’t get all of the Tinman Elite hate

Go to bed Sam

It was an "I knew this was going to blow up" victory lap for the haters. I say that as not a big fan.

Like no one could exactly predict how it would go bad, but when this came out, people felt validated in their feelings towards both the team and the coach.

I don't think there is a problem with dropping Tinman as the coach. Most people just feel they should drop the name since Tinman has been Schwartz' nickname for many years. He has been Tinman on the letsrun forum since the beginnings of the forum. Change the name and move on.

tinmanhater wrote:

What other team (besides Bowerman) has 4 guys at 13:22 or faster and 3 guys w shots at the Olympic team?

American Distance Project

The Original Poster wrote:

tinmanhater wrote:

What other team (besides Bowerman) has 4 guys at 13:22 or faster and 3 guys w shots at the Olympic team?

American Distance Project

Ah true. Forgot about them.

It’s like if I made a track club called “Copperrunner’s track club” coached some lads to 4:10 miles and then they kicked me off of my own team and still called it CRTC, cause they wanted to run sub 4:00 miles.

I’m not the biggest fan of Tinmans training because it just really doesn’t work for me, but that’s his team and they don’t get to call it Tinman Elite anymore. Just my opinion.

tinmanhater wrote:

What other team (besides Bowerman) has 4 guys at 13:22 or faster and 3 guys w shots at the Olympic team?

Lol.

They don't have 3 shots at the Olympic team

ROFL

Free Salazar wrote:

tinmanhater wrote:

What other team (besides Bowerman) has 4 guys at 13:22 or faster and 3 guys w shots at the Olympic team?

Lol.

They don't have 3 shots at the Olympic team

ROFL

3 qualifiers for Doha in 2019 means they have 3 people with a shot at qualifying for Tokyo

You haven’t read any of the threads about it then. People have given plenty of reasons why they dislike tin men.

They all just come back to they’re pissed the guys capitalized on marketing themselves and can create a business put of it. Correct me if i’m wrong.

tinmanhater wrote:

They all just come back to they’re pissed the guys capitalized on marketing themselves and can create a business put of it. Correct me if i’m wrong.

Why would anyone be mad about that? That is nonsense.

tinmanhater wrote:

Free Salazar wrote:

Lol.

They don't have 3 shots at the Olympic team

ROFL

3 qualifiers for Doha in 2019 means they have 3 people with a shot at qualifying for Tokyo

That’s an exaggeration and you know it — they have one guy with a “shot” at the US team, and his shot is worse than 10-15 other guys in the 5k (which IMO means he has no shot). Maybe they don’t deserve as mush hate as they get, but don’t make them out to be something they’re not.

Also, how have they brought the sport to way more people than anyone else? Their main fan base consists of HS boys that already ran track.

People thought the way they conducted it was wrong. Essentially they did a vote, so I'm sure not everyone wanted this change. According to the big thread they sent Connor Winter to tell Tom and that was that. It could have gone better but I agree, coaching changes happen. But it's a lot different circumstances because normally the training group is ran and organized by the coach, not the athletes so it definitely feels off.

But Tom was also an idiot because he didn't seek to work out a legitimate contract with the group and moved out there and didn't get a contract. People were annoyed at Adidas for no reason because they have no control, I'm pretty sure they don't fully sponsor the team. Only 4 people (Drew, Sam, Reed, Jordan) are signed.

Truth is the team is B-tier, they do crappy and get injured and figured it was a coaching issue, which could have been but we'll never know for sure if it was their fault or his. Either way he'll be fine because he has a great history and current success of developing high school athletes and masters which I think is more his style. As for the team, I think there's going to be many more changes within the next year. It's still not going to work they just aren't at the elite level.

Realistically none of them have a shot

I have never understood why this group gets so much attention...positive or negative

CopperRunner wrote:

It’s like if I made a track club called “Copperrunner’s track club” coached some lads to 4:10 miles and then they kicked me off of my own team and still called it CRTC, cause they wanted to run sub 4:00 miles.

I’m not the biggest fan of Tinmans training because it just really doesn’t work for me, but that’s his team and they don’t get to call it Tinman Elite anymore. Just my opinion.

This isn't accurate, and where you're wrong is exactly what makes the situation weird/complicated.

Tom DIDN'T start a club. Drew and Sam started a club named after Tom's Letsrun username while being coached by him. They, not him, did all the work establishing the club, developing the brand, creating branded video content, designing logos and merch, and building a following on social media.

On LRC of course everyone knows "tinman" = Tom, but people on here are unrepresentative even of people who loosely follow pro running. I'd bet the vast vast majority of runners who follow or occasionally check out Tinman Elite social media don't even know the name comes from their ex-coach - it's just Drew and Sam's club. Which is true because they founded started it!

Then they had a falling out with the man whose internet usrname is the club's namesake.

There is one person on the team that makes the whole team hard to like

What other team (besides Bowerman) has 4 guys at 13:22 or faster and 3 guys w shots at the Olympic team?[/quote]

Lol.

They don't have 3 shots at the Olympic team

ROFL[/quote]

3 qualifiers for Doha in 2019 means they have 3 people with a shot at qualifying for Tokyo[/quote]

That’s an exaggeration and you know it — they have one guy with a “shot” at the US team, and his shot is worse than 10-15 other guys in the 5k (which IMO means he has no shot). Maybe they don’t deserve as mush hate as they get, but don’t make them out to be something they’re not.[/quote]

OP was talking about Bowerman, which has lots of top contenders, as a way to illustrate that while Tinman is bad, other teams are also bad