Is Michael Saruni the first athlete to run 45 in the 400 and 3:45 in the 1500 (in a tactical race at that)?

I love this. Every year we go on we realize how much Coe was over-rate white privilege.

400 splits don't cut it, unless you are running first leg. probably need to add close to a full second.

my two pennies wrote:

Brazier has a 45.x indoor split and a 3:35. If he gave it a decent shot I’m sure he could run 45 open and 3:30.

I am certain he could not.

Get the relay crap outta here.

Standard Setter wrote:

I love this. Every year we go on we realize how much Coe was over-rate white privilege.

What is this nonsense?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Standard Setter wrote:

I love this. Every year we go on we realize how much Coe was over-rate white privilege.

What is this nonsense?

White privilege this white privilege that. What does anything in this discussion have to do with race?

But 46.8 is nowhere near 45. I’d say most world class 800m runners are within a small deviation of 47 for the 400m today.

The 400/800 history is packed with runners could could beat 3:45 if they took a notion.

Nijel Amos, David Rudisha. Whatever happened to Emmanuel Korir who was the next big star just 3 years ago?

Bad Wigins wrote:

The 400/800 history is packed with runners could could beat 3:45 if they took a notion.

Nijel Amos, David Rudisha. Whatever happened to Emmanuel Korir who was the next big star just 3 years ago?

exactly. amos, who ran 44.9 in an open 400.

Kaki probably did not quite make the grade in the 400m. However, if he did, he destroyed the 1500m threshold. He ran on the NR 4x400m team of 3:04.00 at Addis (high altitude, another of several reasons to cast doubt on it), as well as 1:42.23 800m and 3:31.76 1500m.

Does anyone have a record of his split on that relay?

800 Metres 1:42.23 Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR) 04 JUN 2010 NR 1259

1000 Metres 2:13.62 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUL 2010 NR 1215

1500 Metres 3:31.76 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011 NR 1220

10 Kilometres 30:18 Muscat (OMA) 02 FEB 2007 937

4x400 Metres Relay 3:04.00 Addis Abeba (ETH) 04 MAY 2008 NR 1130

Peter Snell?

Sowinski had the 3:44, but only ran 46.8

Shoulda maybe people. These people have the tools to work with:

Johnny Gray

Alan Webb (47 in high school)

Nick Symmonds

David Krummenacker

Matt Centrowitz Jr (he closed Olympics in 50)

Some fast maybe coulda wrote:

Shoulda maybe people. These people have the tools to work with:

Johnny Gray

Alan Webb (47 in high school)

Nick Symmonds

David Krummenacker

Matt Centrowitz Jr (he closed Olympics in 50)

Nope. For sure Symmonds and Centro could NEVER run a 45.

Emoemo wrote:

Some fast maybe coulda wrote:

Shoulda maybe people. These people have the tools to work with:

Johnny Gray

Alan Webb (47 in high school)

Nick Symmonds

David Krummenacker

Matt Centrowitz Jr (he closed Olympics in 50)

Nope. For sure Symmonds and Centro could NEVER run a 45.

I don’t know. How much of their training did they dedicate to 400m work?

Devin Dixon easily can do it.

my two pennies wrote:

Brazier has a 45.x indoor split and a 3:35. If he gave it a decent shot I’m sure he could run 45 open and 3:30.

I agree. I mean I think Brazier can do it this year (if not right now) once he puts in some real work. When he broke his American Indoor record by a sliver he was far from sharp. I would be shocked if he can't run 45.9 or below if he actually focused on it. He does want to be a US 4 by 4 team. He's obviously pretty confident he's on that 45 level at least.

Sowinski is no speedster but he ran 46 and 3:44. That means that there are many guys who can run 45 and 3:45.

Some fast maybe coulda wrote:

Emoemo wrote:

Nope. For sure Symmonds and Centro could NEVER run a 45.

I don’t know. How much of their training did they dedicate to 400m work?

It does not matter. Those two could not do it.

Some fast maybe coulda wrote:

Emoemo wrote:

Nope. For sure Symmonds and Centro could NEVER run a 45.

I don’t know. How much of their training did they dedicate to 400m work?

Even Webb was a ways from demonstrating 45 second ability.

semod wrote:

Phil. wrote:

The one who could have done that I would say would be Seb Coe. his fastest 400 race was 46.8, not that he ran many when at his peak.

Coe couldn’t run 45 from scratch.

Yes he could.

He ran 2 sub 46 sec relay legs: 45.5 and 45.6; not to mention a 46.3 on cinders.

The usual conversion is about 0.7 from relay to open from scratch, but as the video link below shows, when he ran his 45.6 split in 81 (90mins after front running a 1:44.0 800m), he stumbled at hand over and was at a standing start as he passed the finish line for the beginning of his leg. That was easily a sub 46 run. And of course he ran a 3:29 1500m.