Lagat in his prime - How fast would he have run with super shoes?

You always forget Said Aouita

King of 10.000 <-> 800 m

beating Cruz in 800 m: 1:43.86 (Cologne 1988)

Jakob Ingebrigtsen will never dream to have this kick.

Passant wrote:

You always forget Said Aouita

King of 10.000 <-> 800 m

beating Cruz in 800 m: 1:43.86 (Cologne 1988)

Jakob Ingebrigtsen will never dream to have this kick.

He was never king of 800m or 10,000m. He won two middle-distance bronze medals (1500 1983 and 800 in 1988). If Steve Cram hadn't gotten injured immediately after destroying prime Cruz in 85, Aouita's reign as 1500m WR holder would have lasted about a month.

Cruz was a shadow of his former self in 88 (and before you say 'but he won silver' - that was because just about everybody else was injured or a shadow of themselves too).

Aouita's 'range' was due to HGH, blood doping, likely EPO (from 87) and running away from Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

1 - 2 -3 I get another 48 hour ban from 'famously anti-doping' LetsRun.

Coevett wrote:

[quote]Passant wrote:

Aouita's 'range' was due to HGH, blood doping, likely EPO (from 87) and running away from Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

.

^^ usually helps

Crammy, Sebby and Stevie always have excuses going for them. Oh, and Ingy too.

If anyone has darker skin they are full throttle on rocket fuel, EPOed to the gills and age cheats too.

LOL

16 Low wrote:

Crammy, Sebby and Stevie always have excuses going for them. Oh, and Ingy too.

If anyone has darker skin they are full throttle on rocket fuel, EPOed to the gills and age cheats too.

LOL

According to Coevett lol

He never mentions Radcliffe Christie Farah and Wells and holmes

He'd be significantly slower because the standard of drug testing has improved...

mikehammer wrote:

16 Low wrote:

Crammy, Sebby and Stevie always have excuses going for them. Oh, and Ingy too.

If anyone has darker skin they are full throttle on rocket fuel, EPOed to the gills and age cheats too.

LOL

According to Coevett lol

He never mentions Radcliffe Christie Farah and Wells and holmes

Wrong on every count there.

Always losers whine and usually go to the tactic of doping. Get your facts.

It's certainly Aouita avoided Coe/Cram/Ovett in the Olympic games of Los Angeles 1984. But he wanted to be sure of a gold medal (the first for Morocco since Abdeslam Radi Siver medal in Marathon 1960). This fact alone, plays in his favor.

Have you forgotten that Aouita was alone and unexperimented in this beginning of 80s? Should I recall recall that Steve Cram was already present in Final OG 1980 ? (if I'm not wrong).

The facts are:

- Aouita set a new record of 1500m downgrading the not so glorious WR of Cram?? (!!) one month later. Cram didn't even have the balls to challenge Aouita records.

- Aouita set a world record of 5000m at two times.

- The records stayed for 7 years.

Lagat was 1:43.xx mid at absolute best. I don't think he had the sustained wheels of El Gourrouj but he could wind up his kick pretty well.

Lagat ran 3:26 for the 1500m which is still the second fastest 1500m of all time. I would have to say he would have been capable of close to the world record in the 800m too. Lagat's raw speed was phenomenal

Coevett wrote:

Passant wrote:

You always forget Said Aouita

King of 10.000 <-> 800 m

beating Cruz in 800 m: 1:43.86 (Cologne 1988)

Jakob Ingebrigtsen will never dream to have this kick.

He was never king of 800m or 10,000m. He won two middle-distance bronze medals (1500 1983 and 800 in 1988). If Steve Cram hadn't gotten injured immediately after destroying prime Cruz in 85, Aouita's reign as 1500m WR holder would have lasted about a month.

Cruz was a shadow of his former self in 88 (and before you say 'but he won silver' - that was because just about everybody else was injured or a shadow of themselves too).

Aouita's 'range' was due to HGH, blood doping, likely EPO (from 87) and running away from Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

1 - 2 -3 I get another 48 hour ban from 'famously anti-doping' LetsRun.

Besides his amazing range (800-10,000) and winning Oly and WC Gold Medals (5000m), Aouita's true claim to fame is that he was the first distance runner to challenge and set WR's from 1500-5000m. Also, there hasn't been a 5000m Oly Champ and World Record holder turn around and medal in the Oly Games at 800m. The only reason he never ran a fast 10k is that he never logged high mileage in training, only 70-80 miles per week, and never made a serious attempt at it. That being said, There is the shadow of doping that hangs over many elite middle-distance runners during this era, and it's hard not to believe Aouita didn't take part in it.

"Go Run One"

Lagat, Rono & Gerry Lindgren

Washington State University Baby!!!!!

The Spade Detector wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

Doping aside....

How fast would Lagat have run a marathon in his prime if he trained for it and had super shoes? Sub 2:05? Sub 2:03?

How fast would he have run an 800 if he trained for it and had super spikes? Sub 1:45?

I think if he had been born a few years later and had access to the second generation EPO that the likes of Ramzi and Kiprop were going full throttle on, I'd say he could have been sub 1:44 and maybe 2:03 in the marathon. The kind of range not seen since Keino in the 60's. Truly outstanding and so sad we didn't witness it.

I spent my weekend hiking in the mountains and spending time with my family.

You spent your weekend pretending to be me.

Classic.

16 low is a moron....Farah is black, not white. It is his nationality. Coevett isn't struggling with a race issue, the stereotypes that people on here complain about are GEOGRAPHY related. When in the world are any of you going to accept the fact that someone is not biased against black people if they support ALL of the American athletes? If they are then in turn biased against Moroccans or Kenyans because of the rampant negative attention these countries have received related to doping, then that does not make them racist.

You forgot about Henry Rono.

2 words: John Chaplin

wazzu1452 wrote:

Lagat, Rono & Gerry Lindgren

Washington State University Baby!!!!!

Lagat would probably have been a 2:08 guy in his prime, to take us back to the OP's question.

He never had the endurance to be great at anything past 5k... he was a speed-based 15/5k guy.

Seppo Kaitenenn wrote:

Lagat would probably have been a 2:08 guy in his prime, to take us back to the OP's question.

He never had the endurance to be great at anything past 5k... he was a speed-based 15/5k guy.

He ran 2:12 when he was 45, you seriously think he couldn't run faster that 2:08 when he was in his early/mid 30s with the proper training? Even with super shoes and on a course like Berlin?