For those who are not getting the vaccine. Please tell us why

2600 bro wrote:

Sigh... bro...

1900 deaths in VAERS means that in the short time frame monitored after the vaccine 1900 died. No claim of causality. When you do something to 100 million people, some of them will die shortly afterwards just by chance.

Nice try, but not quite. It's not all-inclusive death. It is death that can not be attributable to another known cause and that may be attributed to the vaccine. A death by

car accident, for example, is not being reported to VAERS. The multiple organ failure of the otherwise healthy mom in Utah, is. See how that works?

1:57,000.

Nope. Go to the VAERS website (emphasis mine):Healthcare providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination [under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)], and other adverse events if later revised by CDC: Vaccine administration errors, whether or not associated with an adverse event (AE) Serious AEs regardless of causality. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as: Death; A life-threatening AE; Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization; A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions; A congenital anomaly/birth defect; An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above. Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

byron evans wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Sigh... bro...

1900 deaths in VAERS means that in the short time frame monitored after the vaccine 1900 died. No claim of causality. When you do something to 100 million people, some of them will die shortly afterwards just by chance.

Nice try, but not quite. It's not all-inclusive death. It is death that can not be attributable to another known cause and that may be attributed to the vaccine. A death by

car accident, for example, is not being reported to VAERS. The multiple organ failure of the otherwise healthy mom in Utah, is. See how that works?

1:57,000.

Link here:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

I assume you will be removing yourself from this thread after spouting such embarrassing misinformation :)

Ummm ... thanks for the link. It disproves what you are attempting to portray.

Here's a quote from the CDV report you just linked:

"CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths."

I would encourage everybody to read the linked CDC report, and discuss the vaccine risks with a medical professional if you have concerns.

Here is a reminder that COVID-19 is still a deadly disease for many people.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/544370-senior-fox-news-fox-business-producer-dies-from-coronavirus

You sound...angry. Seems like your hate for the government is clouding your ability to use common sense. Hope you're not married because I feel sorry for your spouse. Maybe a move to a different Country would help you.

2600 bro wrote:

I assume you will be removing yourself from this thread after spouting such embarrassing misinformation :)

Bro. Were you talking to yourself there? ... *scratching my head*

Again, I encourage everyone to read the linked CDC report.

If you have doubts, fears, concerns ... that's ok. Talk to a medical professional and get an understanding of the vaccine that is not based on confusion, or lack of info.

white U.S. dude wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I assume you will be removing yourself from this thread after spouting such embarrassing misinformation :)

Bro. Were you talking to yourself there? ... *scratching my head*

Again, I encourage everyone to read the linked CDC report.

If you have doubts, fears, concerns ... that's ok. Talk to a medical professional and get an understanding of the vaccine that is not based on confusion, or lack of info.

Dammit. My bad, 2600 bro. Too many long replies and it wasn't clear to me on my little phone screen, who was posting what.

I was directing that at the other guy who you and I were both disproving at the same time.

Yes, that guy was attempting to spread misinformation. Read the report, everyone. It’s pretty clear.

The dumbest self-own is that he linked to a CDC report that disproved what he was trying to spread. Embarrassing, yes.

Data fraud in clinical trials

Highly publicized cases of fabrication or falsification of data in clinical trials have occurred in recent years and it is likely that there are additional undetected or unreported cases. We review the available evidence on the incidence of data fraud in clinical trials, describe several prominent cases, present information on motivation and contributing factors and discuss cost-effective ways of early detection of data fraud as part of routine central statistical monitoring of data quality. Adoption of these clinical trial monitoring procedures can identify potential data fraud not detected by conventional on-site monitoring and can improve overall data quality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340084/

dustydave wrote:

I haven't decided yet of course one reason is the unknown of the long term effects.

I also have never like things being pushed on me.

Same here, but leaning towards no.

Fwiw. My main reason is I've already had covid.

All good. I was posting too fast because I was so shocked this byron guy was so brazenly lying, so my thoughts got spread against multiple posts. I am used to uninformed people on LRC, but posting a source that directly contradicts what he claimed, while maintaining such arrogance, was pretty hilarious.

white U.S. dude wrote:

white U.S. dude wrote:

Bro. Were you talking to yourself there? ... *scratching my head*

Again, I encourage everyone to read the linked CDC report.

If you have doubts, fears, concerns ... that's ok. Talk to a medical professional and get an understanding of the vaccine that is not based on confusion, or lack of info.

Dammit. My bad, 2600 bro. Too many long replies and it wasn't clear to me on my little phone screen, who was posting what.

I was directing that at the other guy who you and I were both disproving at the same time.

Yes, that guy was attempting to spread misinformation. Read the report, everyone. It’s pretty clear.

The dumbest self-own is that he linked to a CDC report that disproved what he was trying to spread. Embarrassing, yes.

2600 bro wrote:

All good. I was posting too fast because I was so shocked this byron guy was so brazenly lying, so my thoughts got spread against multiple posts.

I am used to uninformed people on LRC, but posting a source that directly contradicts what he claimed, while maintaining such arrogance, was pretty hilarious.

white U.S. dude wrote:

Dammit. My bad, 2600 bro. Too many long replies and it wasn't clear to me on my little phone screen, who was posting what.

I was directing that at the other guy who you and I were both disproving at the same time.

Yes, that guy was attempting to spread misinformation. Read the report, everyone. It’s pretty clear.

The dumbest self-own is that he linked to a CDC report that disproved what he was trying to spread. Embarrassing, yes.

Bro, that was like 20 minutes ago. Give it a rest. You're probably still talking about the election two months later as well.

I’ll get it once the FDA approves it.

Far more than 1 in 57,000 people are complete morons but that hasn't stopped you from coming back for serial embarrassment.

byron evans wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

All good. I was posting too fast because I was so shocked this byron guy was so brazenly lying, so my thoughts got spread against multiple posts.

I am used to uninformed people on LRC, but posting a source that directly contradicts what he claimed, while maintaining such arrogance, was pretty hilarious.

Bro, that was like 20 minutes ago. Give it a rest. You're probably still talking about the election two months later as well.

2600 bro wrote:

Far more than 1 in 57,000 people are complete morons but that hasn't stopped you from coming back for serial embarrassment.

byron evans wrote:

Bro, that was like 20 minutes ago. Give it a rest. You're probably still talking about the election two months later as well.

The thing is, it doesn't matter who said what or who posted CDC links. It could have been me. It could have easily been you. I think we can all agree that the internet is a tricky and confusing place. What we should instead be focusing on is that we don't know the long-term effects of this vaccine and we already have reports of people like the 39 year old Utah mom suffering organ failure and dying two days later.

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

Fwiw. My main reason is I've already had covid.

Trump got vaccinated after getting covid.

I prefer focusing on correcting misinformation that is promulgated on LRC. Especially from people who spew it with such hilarious false authority.

byron evans wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Far more than 1 in 57,000 people are complete morons but that hasn't stopped you from coming back for serial embarrassment.

The thing is, it doesn't matter who said what or who posted CDC links. It could have been me. It could have easily been you. I think we can all agree that the internet is a tricky and confusing place. What we should instead be focusing on is that we don't know the long-term effects of this vaccine and we already have reports of people like the 39 year old Utah mom suffering organ failure and dying two days later.