His training method and capacity makes him able to be in sub 3:30 shape, sub 12:50 shape, and most likely sub 27:00 at the same time.
Now if you add to that a not extremely fast race in 5k and 10k and he could do it.
Obviously it would be a very risky move, but I think he potentially could do it.
JAKOB_GOAT_FAN wrote:
His training method and capacity makes him able to be in sub 3:30 shape, sub 12:50 shape, and most likely sub 27:00 at the same time.
Now if you add to that a not extremely fast race in 5k and 10k and he could do it.
Obviously it would be a very risky move, but I think he potentially could do it.
What is it about his training method that would give him an advantage over the East-Africans and what does "capacity" mean? If he only ran the 10000m, he would be an underdog.
For a 1500m specialist he runs high milage, and is an adept of threshold workouts (10x2000m repeats, etc.).
So what I mean is that he is a 1500m specialist but with an engine that allows him to run fast in longer distances.
He wouldn't have an advantage over east africans, but he has the potential to win.
JAKOB_GOAT_FAN wrote:
For a 1500m specialist he runs high milage, and is an adept of threshold workouts (10x2000m repeats, etc.).
So what I mean is that he is a 1500m specialist but with an engine that allows him to run fast in longer distances.
He wouldn't have an advantage over east africans, but he has the potential to win.
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500, but I believe Aouita might have been capable of winning both. In any case, the schedule would make it impossible and I don’t know if it's possible to simultaneously be at the top of one's game for the 1500 and 10K.
Doesn't any elite runner have a big engine? For a potential 10000 Gold Medal winner, Jakob's 12th place in the junior division in world XC was not that impressive.
Is this a joke!?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
JAKOB_GOAT_FAN wrote:
For a 1500m specialist he runs high milage, and is an adept of threshold workouts (10x2000m repeats, etc.).
So what I mean is that he is a 1500m specialist but with an engine that allows him to run fast in longer distances.
He wouldn't have an advantage over east africans, but he has the potential to win.
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500, but I believe Aouita might have been capable of winning both. In any case, the schedule would make it impossible and I don’t know if it's possible to simultaneously be at the top of one's game for the 1500 and 10K.
Doesn't any elite runner have a big engine? For a potential 10000 Gold Medal winner, Jakob's 12th place in the junior division in world XC was not that impressive.
Sifan Hassan literally just doubled the 1,500-10K in Doha. Surely there is a man that could do it too. You don’t think Bekele couldn’t have beaten Kiprop in Beijing?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500
Since Paavo Nurmi.
I think Jakob has an appreciable chance of winning the 1500-5k double, but as of yet is not the singular favorite in either. I’ll be very surprised if he wins a global 10k medal at any point in his career.
He already won the Tokyo 1500 though. Coevett awarded it to him last summer:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10159267JBaller33 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500, but I believe Aouita might have been capable of winning both. In any case, the schedule would make it impossible and I don’t know if it's possible to simultaneously be at the top of one's game for the 1500 and 10K.
Doesn't any elite runner have a big engine? For a potential 10000 Gold Medal winner, Jakob's 12th place in the junior division in world XC was not that impressive.
Sifan Hassan literally just doubled the 1,500-10K in Doha. Surely there is a man that could do it too. You don’t think Bekele couldn’t have beaten Kiprop in Beijing?
Yeah, I forgot about Hassan. Bekele could not have beaten Kiprop and he lost to El Guerrouj in the 5000 at the 2004 Olympics.
JBaller33 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500, but I believe Aouita might have been capable of winning both. In any case, the schedule would make it impossible and I don’t know if it's possible to simultaneously be at the top of one's game for the 1500 and 10K.
Doesn't any elite runner have a big engine? For a potential 10000 Gold Medal winner, Jakob's 12th place in the junior division in world XC was not that impressive.
Sifan Hassan literally just doubled the 1,500-10K in Doha. Surely there is a man that could do it too. You don’t think Bekele couldn’t have beaten Kiprop in Beijing?
What Hassan did in Doha was like a man closing the 10k with a 3:33 1500 and then blitzing a 3:27.x from the front. I don’t think Bekele was nearly that juiced in Beijing.
JBaller33 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There has never been a 10000m Gold Medalist capable of winning the 1500, but I believe Aouita might have been capable of winning both. In any case, the schedule would make it impossible and I don’t know if it's possible to simultaneously be at the top of one's game for the 1500 and 10K.
Doesn't any elite runner have a big engine? For a potential 10000 Gold Medal winner, Jakob's 12th place in the junior division in world XC was not that impressive.
Sifan Hassan literally just doubled the 1,500-10K in Doha. Surely there is a man that could do it too. You don’t think Bekele couldn’t have beaten Kiprop in Beijing?
You again with the bad takes. Women's running is not nearly as deep as men's running. There will never be a male runner capable of winning the 1500m & 10000m at the same global championships.
To the question
In the same Olympics 0%
In multiple Olympics games extremely remote
This summer Jakob was in sub 3:29 1500m shape and sub 26:45 min shape on 10k (based on his EASY 7:27 3000m).
In today generation, if there's a man who can pull it off, it is him.
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JBaller33 wrote:
Sifan Hassan literally just doubled the 1,500-10K in Doha. Surely there is a man that could do it too. You don’t think Bekele couldn’t have beaten Kiprop in Beijing?
You again with the bad takes. Women's running is not nearly as deep as men's running. There will never be a male runner capable of winning the 1500m & 10000m at the same global championships.
It's not just about depth, it's also about energy usage.
An event that lasts 3:30 is more anaerobic than one that lasts 4:00. So male runners that want to get Gold in 1500 and 10,000 need to have more anaerobic capacity/speed to win the 1500 than a female runner would need. That costs a lot of training time and also means to replace some of the high mileage that's necessary for the 10k Gold with some shorter intervals and speed. It's impossible, just think about Cheruiyot in a 10k. Way too fast-twitch. Webb was often referred to with his insane range, but even Webb himself admitted when he PR'ed in the 800 he was not as strong in the 10k and when he PR'ed in the longer events he lost speed and his ability in the shorter events. There is no super human male that dominates all events simultaneously.
Jakob is in a tricky spot right now, he is neither strong enough to win the 10k, nor does he have the speed to outkick Cheruiyot in the 1500. The 5k is probably the best chance, but it's very competitive.
JAKOB_GOAT_FAN wrote:
His training method and capacity makes him able to be in sub 3:30 shape, sub 12:50 shape, and most likely sub 27:00 at the same time.
Now if you add to that a not extremely fast race in 5k and 10k and he could do it.
Obviously it would be a very risky move, but I think he potentially could do it.
Olympics are not a highschool track meet where you compete for team points.
Gert needs to have him in a maximum of 2 events so he due to fatigue reasons. Why get 3 bronzes when you can get 1 gold?
At the next 2 Olympics when hes 24 and 28, if he wants to do an el guerrouj type of act and win gold in 2 events, then I'm cool with him and gert doing that.
Gert knows what he is doing. But as I said before, I pray to God every single day that gert doesnt make the same stupid mistake with jakob as Salazar did with Rupp and bump the kid up to the marathon before age 35.
SALAZAR RUINED RUPP BY MOVING TO MARATHON BEFORE AGE 35. RUPP HAS SO MUCH TRACK JUICE LEFT IN HIS LEGS TO THIS VERY DAY.
IT WILL BE AN INTERNATIONAL CRIME IF INGEBRITSEN RUNS A MARATHON BEFORE AGE 35.
-the430miler
Owner, teXXXas tanning salons LLC
Coach and adjunct professor
A university in san Antonio
LRP wrote:
"Jakob is in a tricky spot right now, he is neither strong enough to win the 10k, nor does he have the speed to outkick Cheruiyot in the 1500. The 5k is probably the best chance, but it's very competitive. .
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Jakob is certainly not ready for the 10000m yet. But don´t count him out. His progress has been greatly underestimated on these pages - also by you - but his mainly aerobic base training will probably by time make him a great 10000m runner. Jakob himself think his long term favorite distance will be the HM!
1500m :
Nobody knows where Timothy stands right know!
But I estimate that Jakob - if the pacemakers in Monaco get it right this year - can go sub 3:27.
If this is true Timothy too has set a big PB to catch up with Jakob and will he be able to do that?
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Somebody stated above that Jakob will be 24 and 28 at the next 2 Olympics.
This is not correct. Jakob is born in September so he will be 23 at the Paris Olympics and 27 at the Los Angeles Olympics.
Even discarding the difficulty of the task, you'd have to factor in the high chance of Jakob attempting a risky pass on the inside and getting himself DQed.
There is a chance that Jakob will NEVER win a gold medal in a WC or Olympics. The chance that Jakob wins multiple WC or Olympic gold medals in his entire career is not particularly good.
Is he going to double in Tokyo?
Maybe he moves up to 10k in LA, but probably not before then.
Seppo Kaitenenn wrote:
Is he going to double in Tokyo?
Maybe he moves up to 10k in LA, but probably not before then.
He can't double the 1500m and 5000m because the schedule is really bad for that. The only option is 10000m and 1500m double, and that is unlikely since the 10000m is the first event. I think it would be more likely if Jakob could first run the 1500m and then do the 10000m for fun. But they cant take the risk with the 10000m since Jakob's best chance to medal is the 1500m.
3000m steeplechase might be a wildcard, but even that is not optimal because of the schedule.
So because of the schedule Jakob only runs 1500m.
Klown wrote:
There is a chance that Jakob will NEVER win a gold medal in a WC or Olympics. The chance that Jakob wins multiple WC or Olympic gold medals in his entire career is not particularly good.
Correct. More likely than not he will never win a gold medal. He's carrying too much junk in hisd trunk.