Jakob is Tokyo 1500m Gold Medalist

Tim ran a terrible first 800m, running the first 400 as if it was an 800m race, and he still hung on to beat a doped up Jakob. There can be little doubt that Jakob is doping, to be running 3:28 at age 19. Jakob is a great runner but he is DOPED to the gills. He might get busted before Tokyo but I imagine they will protect him.

Hiyero wrote:

Tim ran a terrible first 800m, running the first 400 as if it was an 800m race, and he still hung on to beat a doped up Jakob. There can be little doubt that Jakob is doping, to be running 3:28 at age 19. Jakob is a great runner but he is DOPED to the gills. He might get busted before Tokyo but I imagine they will protect him.

Norwegians don't dope

Just wondering if it's chronically wrote:

Hiyero wrote:

Tim ran a terrible first 800m, running the first 400 as if it was an 800m race, and he still hung on to beat a doped up Jakob. There can be little doubt that Jakob is doping, to be running 3:28 at age 19. Jakob is a great runner but he is DOPED to the gills. He might get busted before Tokyo but I imagine they will protect him.

Norwegians don't dope

I know you are joking but...they have a gloried tradition of doping, and yes they realized that if you cannot beat em, join em in the doping wars.

Just wondering if it's chronically wrote:

Hiyero wrote:

Tim ran a terrible first 800m, running the first 400 as if it was an 800m race, and he still hung on to beat a doped up Jakob. There can be little doubt that Jakob is doping, to be running 3:28 at age 19. Jakob is a great runner but he is DOPED to the gills. He might get busted before Tokyo but I imagine they will protect him.

Norwegians don't dope

hahahahahaha

Hiyero wrote:

Tim ran a terrible first 800m, running the first 400 as if it was an 800m race, and he still hung on to beat a doped up Jakob. There can be little doubt that Jakob is doping, to be running 3:28 at age 19. Jakob is a great runner but he is DOPED to the gills. He might get busted before Tokyo but I imagine they will protect him.

You do realize that ignoring reality and twisting everything you see around you to fit your own comforting interpretation is the very definition of insanity?

I didn't even mention doping, aside from the objective fact that Tim's training partner and closest friend has just been given an anti-doping suspension. I didn't mention that 1 in 5 of the top Kenyan men in every event between 2015-2018 have now been busted.

I didn't even mention that statistically it's likely Tim will be busted before Tokyo takes place next year.

But continue believing in your Alice in Wonderland world that 60 Kenyan busts in 5 years and zero busts in GB or Norway mean that Jake Wightman and the Ingebrigtsens are more likely to be doped than Tim. Continue believing on the basis of no evidence whatsoever that Western athletes are 'protected' when the reality is that the manager of the Kenyan Rio team was recently convicted of bribing athletes to give them advance warning of tests.

Karl Popper - 'what distinguishes science from non-science is falsifiability'.

lalaland wrote:

Just wondering if it's chronically wrote:

Norwegians don't dope

hahahahahaha

Translation - white people can't run as fast as East Africans and when they do my entire sense of self and value comes tumbling down and I have to scream 'RACIST' and 'DOPING' to shut out the real world and preserve my sanity.

Coevett wrote:

lalaland wrote:

hahahahahaha

Translation - white people can't run as fast as East Africans and when they do my entire sense of self and value comes tumbling down and I have to scream 'RACIST' and 'DOPING' to shut out the real world and preserve my sanity.

NOBODY said that whites cannot run as fast as East Africans. However, you, THE RACIST, believe that Tim must be doping in order to beat the clean Jakob. IF you were smarter, you would realize how racist you are to believe that East Africans must be doping to beat the whites who you believe do NOT dope.

Jakob obviously heavily benefitted from being able to chase Tim (they were close enough after like 600-700m), he should in fact be very happy about the stupidly fast first lap, probably best case scenario for him. Tim on the other hand was absurdely strong once again winning despite those first 400m (I guess everyone else would have finished 3:40+ following this pace), so only Coevett things to proclaim Jakob as 2021 gold medalist?

PS: You also predicted Tim to run 3:31 which was the only time of those you predicted one would have not expected and obviously you were wrong

Hiyero wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Translation - white people can't run as fast as East Africans and when they do my entire sense of self and value comes tumbling down and I have to scream 'RACIST' and 'DOPING' to shut out the real world and preserve my sanity.

NOBODY said that whites cannot run as fast as East Africans. However, you, THE RACIST, believe that Tim must be doping in order to beat the clean Jakob. IF you were smarter, you would realize how racist you are to believe that East Africans must be doping to beat the whites who you believe do NOT dope.

Calm down.

Again, deal with reality. Kenyans ARE doping. 60 + busts in 5 years despite testing only recently approaching minimal standards. 1 in 5 top Kenyan males in every event 400m to marathon now suspended or banned. 3 out of the 5 male medalists from London 2017 busted.The training partner of Tim suspended last month.

Again, take a deep breath and deal with reality.

It's trumpeted on this board constantly that East Africans have a natural talent that non-Africans can't compete with. Even the Brojos have stated that clearly here. I was even told by I think Wejo that I was stupid for doubting it. When a European like Jakob runs as fast as the best East Africans then he's constantly bombarded with accusations of doping.

I'm no more racist for claiming that all Kenyan performances are now suspect than I (or anyone else here) are racist for claiming that all Russian (or GDR 70/80s) performances are/were suspect.

Again, deal with objective reality.

If Jake Wightman was busted tomorrow, I'd probably visit this forum again. Same for Jakob. My passion for the sport would be killed.

Almost every week a top Kenyan is getting busted. We're hearing confirmed stories of world famous Kenyan runners jumping out of windows to evade testers, of athletes being allowed to give 'tea money' to testers to escape busts, of the manager for Rio being banned for giving advance warning to athletes of tests.

And yet the assumption that Kenyans win because they have a superior genetic talent which deviates them from the normal branch of Homo Sapiens is steadfastly maintained to the point you scream racist at those who doubt it.

I don't understand your mentality.

*If Jakob or a top Brit were busted I'd never visit this forum again.

Coevett wrote:

Hiyero wrote:

NOBODY said that whites cannot run as fast as East Africans. However, you, THE RACIST, believe that Tim must be doping in order to beat the clean Jakob. IF you were smarter, you would realize how racist you are to believe that East Africans must be doping to beat the whites who you believe do NOT dope.

And yet the assumption that Kenyans win because they have a superior genetic talent which deviates them from the normal branch of Homo Sapiens is steadfastly maintained to the point you scream racist at those who doubt it.

I don't understand your mentality.

No superior genetics. If Jakob can run 3:28 at 19 clean then Cheruiyot can run 3:28 at 24 clean. Do you not think?

Manangoi didn't dope. 3 whereabout failures =\= doping. Knowing him he's just an idiot. You really see Manangoi going "hmm right now in my doping cycle ill probably test positive, best say i'm somewhere i'm not to avoid hypothetical tests"?

Looking at the race again, you could certainly make the argument that Tim impeded Jakob in the home straight. As Jakob (and Jake) were poised to overtake him, Tim suddenly veered out almost into lane 2. Not sure if Jakob would have caught him but would have got close and likely ran 3:28.5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxYCo6uYyng

I don’t understand you. Jakob makes a sensational race and shatters the super doped european record of Mo. Wightman has his breaktrough race. Tim wins despite going out in absolute suicide pace. But somehow you still manage to dunk on Tim and only celebrate Jakob and Wightman, on the basis of that the kenyans had some kind of conspiracy to get Tim a gap. That conspiracy would be borderline retarded in that case, as Tim clearly is in 3:26-shape with more sensible pacing. Sensational race all around, but I expected more of Yomif ”3:47” Kejelcha

Let me save everyone time and effort.

This will be Tokyo 2020 next year. Simply a replay and I fear Jakob may not medal as he may do a Laura Muir and make the mistake and try to go with TC early on and fade...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcTd4xZ44o&t=231s

kenyans are mass doping,but so is jakob.im pretty sure everyone at top level in athletics is on various chemical cocktails.most wont get caught,because there'd be no track and field if they were.it amused me that the ingebritsens wear 'i run clean' t shirts,probably because most people suspect they dont.and no i dont believe jakob will win olympic gold.

I agree with you on most part. But please explain that :

Coevett wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they were Manangoi and Kiprop, lol) who deliberately went out faster than Jakob and the rest had been informed.

Coevett wrote:

If Monaco was the unofficial Tokyo 1500 final 2020, then Jakob should be given the gold medal.

?????

Let’s dissect this. First off, you can tell even Tim was surprised the pacing was going out so fast. He initially doesn’t follow the pacers and it takes a while before he gets behind them. So, no he didn’t plan this out.

Tim probably did benefit from the drafting. And good for him. You are supposed to follow the pacers and it’s pretty embarrassing for the other athletes to let someone get so far ahead (deja vu from the Doha finals).

No one is saying Jakob did bad. He’s 19 and ran 3:28. Stop trying to pull Lira out of your butt to fit your narrative.

How does Jakob deserve the gold if he got second? He didn’t “virtually front run” because he had Tim in his sights to chase down the whole time.

Why would Jakob break the record if he lost to a guy who ran a 52 first lap? If anything that indicates that Tim is in 3:26 shape (this race was very close to his PB).

Now you resort to your usual doping argument. In earlier posts you said something along the lines of “how slow will Tim have to run to show everyone he’s not doping” and he goes out there and almost gets a new PR and he wins. Nice try.

Coevett wrote:

Yet the usual suspects here are saying Jakob went home devastated!

Well, yeah, he choked away a 12 second lead on fitness over the last two months. He was a HUGE favorite in my mind. Tim still made him look silly.

If he can’t beat Tim in this race, after the massive difference in their spring training, then I don’t see it happening next year.