The Me Too Movement Has Gotten ABSURD

OK to address some points that have been made. Clearly one of the issues which an astute poster alluded to has been a sense of a mob mentality assuming guilt without due process. Another good point is the need for some sort of hierarchy of transgressions, which does not excuse even minor transgressions but it does become absurd if complimenting someone is tantamount to assaulting them as seen through some eyes from the Me Too movement’s vantage point.

One poster asserted that this thread is being used to bash women. Far from it. It is good to have an opportunity to hear experiences of women such as DocLorna and any others who can shed light on these issues. Humans can actually make progress with authentic communication. This thread was not meant to be solely about Cuomo and I do agree that whatever he has done regarding COVID-19 and nursing homes may be worse than what he has done with women, although maybe the jury is still out on that one. People should be consistent about this issue and if it is a member of their party who is the transgressor than so be it but there are times when one wonders whether some in this patriarchal society want to coddle women and still somehow say they are equal. It not always easy to thread the needle.

All I know is that if I saw someone touching/looking at my wife like this, things would get violent in a hurry. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Andy thinks he gets to do whatever he wants because he's the Big Boss. I think most Democrats prefer elected officials who are capable of understanding appropriate human behavior and who don't cover up data on nursing home deaths (which is a scandal that should have already ended his political career). Cuomo has always been a POS and now his time is up. Good riddance.

Dems in New York should welcome this development. Why would you want a governor who has regularly thwarted liberal priorities in the state by teaming up with Republicans and a handful of DINOs in the legislature?

Isn't it funny that Alyssa Milano spent all weekend obsessing about how the CPAC stage was a secret Nazi symbol and doesn't have much to say about Cuomo? But good job to her on decoding the 21st century Nazi code. Must be a special gift to be able to see Nazi symbols surround everyone you don't like.

How many have been greeted by a political figure in your area, or by your employer, with a kiss? Let us know your gender and the politicians gender. Thanks!

You are defensive because republicans who are outraged at the immorality of Cuomo are total hypocrites. What they let trump getaway with was despicable. I am sure that the independent investigator will do something the republican senate never allowed, call witnesses.

Rude inappropriate behavior does not necessarily mean impeachment from the governorship. Lets find out the facts.

You're calling women who have called out men who have raped or sexually harassed them "subhuman savages," yet you complain that you are experiencing "nastiness." No cognitive dissonance there, I take it?

The alleged incident in the Kavanaugh hearings was rape. How is that nothing?

Hedjd wrote:

25 allegations for your boy wrote:

Way too transparent.

We love your tears for Trump ?

ENJOY YOUR LOSS ??

I am glad he lost you moron! He is a terrible human being. Just lousy.

Hi Sally! How did it go at trump inauguration today? Did you chant “lock her up” much? Did you meet your hero Roger Stone? LOLz. Enjoy your catastrophic loss and most importantly keep shedding them tears trump lover! Bahahaha! ??????????

not even a runner wrote:

I'm not sure Cuomo's creepiness warrants a resignation, but his mishandling of nursing home patients and COVID (leading to 12,000 or so deaths) and subsequent cover up of the real numbers certainly does. It kind of blows my mind that the media is in a frenzy over his creepy behavior with women while almost totally ignoring something much worse.

Dems doing a fantastic job of redirecting attention to a “soft issue”. They will get rid of Cuomo without any broader political consequences while scoring points with women. Meanwhile, Republicans continue to whine displaying maximum hypocrisy.

runnerboy70 wrote:

If the Woman is attracted to the guy the flirting /advances are fine, if she's NOT attracted to the guy it's sexual harassment. Go figure.

Yes. That's why it's good to pay attention and determine if she is attracted or not. If she makes it clear that she's not interested, you stop. The key here is to *pay attention*.

This may be unpopular but I don't think elected officials should have to resign over things are legal but in poor taste.

Cuomo received 3.6 million votes from New Yorkers. He has to resign and negate their votes because some people are upset with him? I don't think so.

Of course there are avenues to remove a politician from office and many of them rely on other elected officials to do the removing and if so, that all seems fine. If you can't do that then have a recall election or vote out the offender next time. That's how democracy works.

Of course if an elected official commits a crime then they should be removed. But otherwise, if we're just talking violating social norms, absolutely we should not negate the political will of literally millions of people.

Trollminator wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

I am glad he lost you moron! He is a terrible human being. Just lousy.

Hi Sally! How did it go at trump inauguration today? Did you chant “lock her up” much? Did you meet your hero Roger Stone? LOLz. Enjoy your catastrophic loss and most importantly keep shedding them tears trump lover! Bahahaha! ??????????

No idea who you are calling Sally BUT if it is me you are more ignorant than anticipated. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Trollminator wrote:

not even a runner wrote:

I'm not sure Cuomo's creepiness warrants a resignation, but his mishandling of nursing home patients and COVID (leading to 12,000 or so deaths) and subsequent cover up of the real numbers certainly does. It kind of blows my mind that the media is in a frenzy over his creepy behavior with women while almost totally ignoring something much worse.

Dems doing a fantastic job of redirecting attention to a “soft issue”. They will get rid of Cuomo without any broader political consequences while scoring points with women. Meanwhile, Republicans continue to whine displaying maximum hypocrisy.

I said this on the first page of the thread. But this is all about the nursing home scandal which Cuomo will likely get indicted for and nothing to do with the ME2 stuff. The left spent the last year holding Cuomo up as the gold standard of Covid handling while ignoring things repeatedly pointed out by the right such as New Yorks high death toll, the nursing home scandal which has been obvious since the spring, the fact that Cuomo didn't show any leadership and was just a foil to Trump. The left are trying to dump him for the ME2 because if he's still visible as this nursing home thing blows up it would really expose just how bad the Democrats were at following the science. People might as why De Santos who the media made the villain the last year leads the state which is 27th in death per capita despite being the 2nd oldest in the country while the MSM has been celebrating such incompetents as Cuomo and Murphy.

As a female, being in this situation sucks. I grew up with three brothers so it takes a lot to offend me and I let a lot of things slide. But at my current job the situation is so bad that I have been in counseling for months and have an appointment tomorrow morning to get anti-anxiety meds for the first time in my life.

I am a civilian worker at a military base and someone in my chain of command started to sexually harass me over text message when his wife went on a stateside deployment. He sent some pretty vulgar messages, he invited me over for late night booty calls, he told me dreamed of my naked body, he named three guys on base and told me what they wanted to do to me, etc. He interspersed the sexual texts with messages telling me how he likes to strangle people because the gurgling sounds awesome and he likes to see the light go out of their eyes. I knew it would end when his wife came home so I put my head down and just took it. But then he started to retaliate against me at work and even violated whistleblower protection laws. I submitted the text messages and documentation to my HR department and local union rep and no one cares. I contacted OSHA about the whistleblower violations and was told I can file a complaint but it will take more than a year for it to be resolved. There are zero protections for me. I asked for a transfer to another agency within my state and I was told that if I have to wait for an opening and apply for it like anyone else.

The metoo movement gets under my skin sometimes but this is all very real. I have always been proud of where I work, I am good at my job, and I am an absolute work horse. Yet here I am in the midst of an absolutely awful situation. I ask for help and the federal government won't protect me because I'm a state employee. The state government won't protect me because he's a federal employee. It's absolute crap! Meanwhile, I sit right outside of the offender's office and have to report to him every day. While the metoo movement may be annoying to some men out there, it pales in comparison to what some of us have to deal with on a daily basis. Believe me, the gut churning doesn't stop on nights and weekends. To make matters worse, the longer my complaint drags out the more he thinks everything is back to "normal" between us. I'm sure he's sleeping just fine at night while I have not slept through the night in months.

That a level of offense that deserves dismissal at the very least.

Thank you for posting. Your post really impacts me. I hope it helps some of us men realize that this is real and can and does have deleterious repercussions for people like you. To think that you have no avenue to remedy this seems extremely problematic not just for you but future victims. Maybe someone can suggest another option for you.

booker, I am so sorry that you are going though this madness! It is so atrocious, I feel you and I wish I had options for you. You are extremely strong to be dealing with this and thank you for sharing. I hope you get a lot of support and help real soon. Stay strong, all the best!

Hedjd, this is what I meant by the movement is not absurd, sure the movement goes is strange directions sometimes but at the base it is there to help and support. And now even with the movement in place and more people speaking up, we still see victims not being heard when they speak up. Can you imagine if there was no movement at all? And unfortunately speaking negatively about the movement only reinforces the idea that speaking up is wrong.

Well maybe one of the issues which was on my mind when I began the thread was not so much the movement itself which as you say does much good but the weaponization of the MeToo movement where it is being utilized by the opposition to try to bring people down. Maybe some of the those people should be brought down. However, let us take the case of Justice Kavanaugh. I don’t want the guy on the Supreme Court. I don’t share most of his views and at some level the guy irritates me to be honest. BUT I paid attention to what transpired when the woman came forward with her rape accusation. She seemed credible to me but it seemed like the left, which I consider myself to be a part of, sort of ambushed this guy also. I wasn’t as bothered by it because I didn’t want Kavanaugh on the Court (my preference should be irrelevant) but there is some concern that this is being weaponized. I understand why you may feel that pales in comparison to what women are going through as victims of sexual harassment and worse. It is a complicated subject with plenty of nuance.

I hear you. It makes us see what the issue is, it’s not the movement itself. It’s the weaponizing of the movement by any and every political party. Every one has a political agenda nowadays, it gets very tirying.