The Ben True pod - An amazing listen. True reveals he pays Dan Curts $20k a year to train with him

You guys rule ?

rojo wrote:

The unsponsored True reveals he is PAYING Dan Curts $20,000 a year to train with him ...

You gotta be kidding?!??

Here is a suggestion from another no name average joe...:

"On another thread, someone mentioned True is just now, at this point in his career, consistently stringing together 100 mile weeks. Ben True's 27:15 is worth a 2:05:25 per the JDC. With proper marathon training at altitude, within 2 years on a flat, straight and legal course, True could put down a 2:06, thus placing him in the elite company of US marathon greats Khannouchi, Hall and Rupp. In doing so, True would be remembered like Sara Hall, turning his career into a diamond at the latter stages.

"I would suggest True to get in touch with the Hoka NAZ elite, but then he would have to wear HOKA's and in doing so, he would, in the words of Burnsy, be "leaving chips on the table".

"Instead, True should get in contact with coach Ryan Hall for possible coaching services, and to see if a stipend from ASICS is possible, and to wear the ASICS protos that Sara is wearing."

The above was ripped from this thread:

I remember seeing True run the NYC Half a few years ago. He ran well but when asked about moving up to 26.2, he stated he had no interest in the marathon

I don't doubt that, just like Teg said he "don't do the 10k". However, did you ask him that before the era of the ubiquity of the 'super shoe'? Also, I'm not convinced yet the Saucony version (he was prob sponsored by Saucony at the time) of the 'super shoe' is as good as Nike's version. We don't know yet how good the ASICS proto 'super shoe' is, but it seems to be serving Sara Hall well.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

Also, I'm not convinced yet the Saucony version (he was prob sponsored by Saucony at the time) of the 'super shoe' is as good as Nike's version.

It certainly depends on the individual, but for some at least, it seems the Saucony is just as good:

I tried their Speed version on, and IMO, it sucks compared to the Vaporfly. Not only that, they GROSSLY misrepresented the weight of the shoe on their website. They say it weighs 7.9oz, whereas one of the shoes is 8.2oz, and the other is 8.3oz. In this game, that is a HUGE discrepancy. It outright borders on false advertising.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

I tried their Speed version on, and IMO, it sucks compared to the Vaporfly. ....

Speaking in terms of apparent cushioned responsiveness, and not other parameters, like durability, etc.

I loved the shoe discussion and Ben’s take on the whole situation. He seemed honest and objective about it all. Usually I find the obsession with shoe/spike discussion by the brojos a little off putting.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

I tried their Speed version on, and IMO, it sucks compared to the Vaporfly. Not only that, they GROSSLY misrepresented the weight of the shoe on their website. They say it weighs 7.9oz, whereas one of the shoes is 8.2oz, and the other is 8.3oz. In this game, that is a HUGE discrepancy. It outright borders on false advertising.

The Speed is the everyday training shoe, it's not meant to compare with the VF. A fairer comparison is with the Zoom Fly 3 and it kicks the ZF3 up and down the road. The Endorphin Speed is easily the best training shoe I've ever worn. I've never tried the Endorphin Pro but Malindi Elmore and Jared Ward have both tested it in the lab and found it comparable with the VF. On the other side, Molly Huddle said she got nothing out of it. From those reports, I'd guess that it is potentially as good as the VF but has greater variance

Did Ben indícate when he was going to sue you for libel and defamation?

Dude.. Ben True gave a really good interview.

This is my first time listening to the LetsRun podcast. I watched the races this past weekend and was excited to hear the discussion.

Wow - the entire podcast is whining about shoes. I guess I should not be surprised based on the Brojos posts on here, but doesn't that get exhausting?

It is literally all just shoe talk. We get it already. Mention it and move on. No need to harp on in on every single segment of the show.

not a mortgage banker wrote:

Dude.. Ben True gave a really good interview.

Oh I’m not doubting Ben here

get over it already wrote:

This is my first time listening to the LetsRun podcast. I watched the races this past weekend and was excited to hear the discussion.

Wow - the entire podcast is whining about shoes. I guess I should not be surprised based on the Brojos posts on here, but doesn't that get exhausting?

It is literally all just shoe talk. We get it already. Mention it and move on. No need to harp on in on every single segment of the show.

This

I put Ben's recent training into a spreadsheet for any nerds out there who are interested in that sort of thing:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10453228#10453228

It wasn’t the training that caused the great times just the shoes. I know what I’m talking about as in an Ivy League grad

get over it already wrote:

This is my first time listening to the LetsRun podcast. I watched the races this past weekend and was excited to hear the discussion.

Wow - the entire podcast is whining about shoes. I guess I should not be surprised based on the Brojos posts on here, but doesn't that get exhausting?

It is literally all just shoe talk. We get it already. Mention it and move on. No need to harp on in on every single segment of the show.

very cringe. skipped to the interview and that was really good tho.

get over it already wrote:

This is my first time listening to the LetsRun podcast. I watched the races this past weekend and was excited to hear the discussion.

Wow - the entire podcast is whining about shoes. I guess I should not be surprised based on the Brojos posts on here, but doesn't that get exhausting?

It is literally all just shoe talk. We get it already. Mention it and move on. No need to harp on in on every single segment of the show.

I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. But I'd be surprised if "the shoes" wasn't at least a central theme. It's a big deal for the sport.

When you look at race results, or run a race yourself (especially on the track), do you just pay attention to the order of finish? Of course not - you look at times. Time is an essential element for the vast majority of track runners. So when something comes along that makes everybody's times faster, much more so than anything else (legal) in recent decades, it makes sense that it would be at the center of many track discussions.

get over it already wrote:

This is my first time listening to the LetsRun podcast. I watched the races this past weekend and was excited to hear the discussion.

Wow - the entire podcast is whining about shoes. I guess I should not be surprised based on the Brojos posts on here, but doesn't that get exhausting?

It is literally all just shoe talk. We get it already. Mention it and move on. No need to harp on in on every single segment of the show.

I will listen to anyone else interview Ben True, just not this bunch. There's good reason I never see anyone promoting this pod outside this website. Though Chris Chavez is way too chummy with his interview subjects, he has far greater acumen and integrity.