We need to talk about Cheserek -- how fast would he run if he was part of BTC? If he stayed with Andy Powell?
Every single year, and at this point, every race, it's becoming clearer that Ches needs to join an actual team with an actual coach. The setup he has, where he trains with subpar track athletes and is coached by an AGENT, is clearly not
working.
This is an athlete capable of Olympic medals at 5k/10k and he is DNFing a race just to get the standard. For his sake and our rooting sake, I hope his Sketchers contract isn't 10 years and that he can join a sponsored group sometime in the near future.
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Alternatively, he may be done. Floorboards were getting creaky as his time in Eugene wound down - losing to Jenkins and Tiernan.
It is rare for Lannana / Powell athletes to continue to progress after college, and Cheserek may be another victim. -
That said, I agree with you that Haas is a bad agent and worse coach.
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I feel bad for the guy at this point. Seems like he's been taken advantage of, and STILL doesn't have citizenship.
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free shipping with purchases wrote:
Alternatively, he may be done. Floorboards were getting creaky as his time in Eugene wound down - losing to Jenkins and Tiernan.
It is rare for Lannana / Powell athletes to continue to progress after college, and Cheserek may be another victim.
That's fair -- Jenkins has struggled as well. The way that Cheserek ran in college made it seem like he was holding back all the time, leading me to believe he'd be a stud pro as well. Maybe that's not the case. -
One possibility to consider is that he honestly doesn't care that much about competitive running. I read up on his story a little bit when he was at Oregon. It sounded like he truly cared about his education way more than running. On top of that he put a very high value on his privacy and avoiding public attention to himself.
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Can we now once and dor all drop the king thing when talking about cheserek?
The king is dead -
Aw, c'mon now. I love bashing on people just as much as anyone, but like ya'll don't have an off day every now and then?
Crazy to me that people make all these baseless assumptions from one DNF. He ran 27:23 in 2020! -
He didn’t run in Phoenix due to a sore hamstring.
Perhaps that same issue gave him problems yesterday evening and he had to shut it down.
Running is a tough sport on the body. What these guys, at this level, put their bodies through has very limited understanding from people spouting off on LetsRun. -
EgoHit wrote:
Aw, c'mon now. I love bashing on people just as much as anyone, but like ya'll don't have an off day every now and then?
Crazy to me that people make all these baseless assumptions from one DNF. He ran 27:23 in 2020!
Yup 27:23. Losing to Jenkins, and is 12 seconds back of Fisher, 11 behind Kincaid, 9 behind True, and even behind Tuntivate.
Fact of the matter is that he was already a 25 yr old +/- adult running with 18-19 yr old boys in college. He just didn't have much more room to improve. -
Sadly, a lot of this is absolutely due to the fact that Haas has absolutely no clue what he's doing while coaching Ches. Word on the street is a lot of respected coaches see Haas as someone who really screwed up with developing Ches and that the majority of his injuries were probably preventable if that dude would stop pretending he was a coach, and just go back to agenting instead. I've also heard since becoming a coach he has started being a worse agent and not doing a great job with athletes he has signed. If I remember correctly a few years ago a few big time athletes left him cause he wasn't keeping up anymore.
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Ryan Foreman wrote:
On top of that he put a very high value on his privacy and avoiding public attention to himself.
A guy that calls himself "King Ches" doesn't want to draw attention to himself? -
HaasIsJoke wrote:
Sadly, a lot of this is absolutely due to the fact that Haas has absolutely no clue what he's doing while coaching Ches. Word on the street is a lot of respected coaches see Haas as someone who really screwed up with developing Ches and that the majority of his injuries were probably preventable if that dude would stop pretending he was a coach, and just go back to agenting instead. I've also heard since becoming a coach he has started being a worse agent and not doing a great job with athletes he has signed. If I remember correctly a few years ago a few big time athletes left him cause he wasn't keeping up anymore.
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Ches was a man amongst boys in college. It is likely that he was a few years older than the majority of his competitors. He is now just another man.
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Let's not forget to factor in that he was racing in Sketchers and not the Nike Dragonfly. Watch the race after the mile, he was obviously working just a bit harder than everybody else in the field. Letting these tiny gaps form while everybody else looked like they were on a tempo run.
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He should of left and got a bike contract after his soph year. Oregon ran him into the ground..by his senior year he was running on sheer talent. After his freshman year it was clear he was something special..should of gave them one more year and been gone smh
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He was 23 not 25 in college. As a 19 turned 20 year old freshman in college he was already the best all round distance runner in college. He should of left Oregon after his soph year..nothing to prove. Nike would of played for his education and gave him money.
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can anyone still argue in good faith that Ches is a better runner than Teare and Hocker? They are going to have much better careers than Ches.
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titsmcgee wrote:
and he is DNFing a race just to get the standard.
He ALREADY has the standard.
As a result, what I don't get is why he was doing this race in the first place if he wasn't 100% ready to rip, why even bother, particularly when you are running in sub-par spikes.
he's run 349 mile, 1304, and 2723 as a pro. -
Going the way of Lalang and Chelanga? Both had stellar college careers before having relatively short, lackluster professional careers
