500,000 Americans Have Died of COVID

Another 4 pages of threads since the weekend. Another 4 pages of deniers changing the subject.

I can't believe we've got boomers and Trumpers lecturing people on "scientific thinking" when none of them have brought a shred of data to the table.

Here's a tip: unless your discussing a lefty-commie subject like philosophy, we have real data to anchor discussion of basically every other scientific field. Coming armed with anecdotes against numbers and tons of data (COVID has to be the most documented public health effort ever) is just embarrassing. For those of you troglodytes who supported Trump, I would have thought you would have learned something from the election fraud fiasco. Turns out you need evidence get your way, oops.

Happy posting, boomers.

Harambe wrote:

Another 4 pages of threads since the weekend. Another 4 pages of deniers changing the subject.

I can't believe we've got boomers and Trumpers lecturing people on "scientific thinking" when none of them have brought a shred of data to the table.

Here's a tip: unless your discussing a lefty-commie subject like philosophy, we have real data to anchor discussion of basically every other scientific field. Coming armed with anecdotes against numbers and tons of data (COVID has to be the most documented public health effort ever) is just embarrassing. For those of you troglodytes who supported Trump, I would have thought you would have learned something from the election fraud fiasco. Turns out you need evidence get your way, oops.

Happy posting, boomers.

your bias is showing in terms of boomers. What's with that? Sounds like you've got some ax to grind, bordering on some personal issue in your past.

yes yes yes yes wrote:

your bias is showing in terms of boomers. What's with that? Sounds like you've got some ax to grind, bordering on some personal issue in your past.

Boomer jokes triggers boomers, who are uniquely sensitive to pointless generalizations about their generation (and who are still coming to grips with their impending obsolescence).

I can maximize my trolling results buy targeting boomer-aged COVID deniers as they will rabidly take any bait dangled in front of them. The internet and its norms are still quite new to them.

Your post is an excellent example of this (Inb4 "butttt I'm not a boomer").

Harambe wrote:

yes yes yes yes wrote:

your bias is showing in terms of boomers. What's with that? Sounds like you've got some ax to grind, bordering on some personal issue in your past.

Boomer jokes triggers boomers, who are uniquely sensitive to pointless generalizations about their generation (and who are still coming to grips with their impending obsolescence).

I can maximize my trolling results buy targeting boomer-aged COVID deniers as they will rabidly take any bait dangled in front of them. The internet and its norms are still quite new to them.

Your post is an excellent example of this (Inb4 "butttt I'm not a boomer").

I can't wait for you to be the age Boomers are now and for you to be the recipient of lame jokes and trolling like yours.

y63h wrote:

I can't wait for you to be the age Boomers are now and for you to be the recipient of lame jokes and trolling like yours.

Obviously this will happen. Such is the circle of life.

I'll try not to get so butthurt about it online when it comes ;)

I just want to say, it speaks bounds that the vast majority of college educated peoples consider themselves liberal/democrats.

hey, bub, frankly no one give a f' about your age issues, so knock yourself out. But the shame is that you seem to let this obsession of yours get in the way of an otherwise spot-on and insightful post.

yes yes yes yes wrote:

an otherwise spot-on and insightful post.

Thank you :)

2600 bro wrote:

You examined all 500k+? Impressive!

I examined all the public figures said to have died from Covid and every single one of them was dying before Covid came.

it was about a dozen.

So if 12 of 12 of the most publicized names of Covid deaths all died with and not from Covid, we can certainly draw the conclusion that the $500k plus said to have died were with not from Covid.

You can't follow this?

These guys cannot name one person most of us have heard of who has died from and not with Covid. Not one.

The only one they point to is Letlow (??) who died of a heart attack after being diagnosed with Covid...and of course we have no way of knowing the heart attack was related to the Covid.

Hell, I can name a guy who took the vaccine and died within 2 weeks -- Hank Aaron.

Yet they cling to the fantasy that over 500,000 Americans have died 'from" Covid.

This is not science. This is being taken by the propaganda and the inability/refusal to admit to themselves they were had.

Extrapolate 12 cases you just declared to be "not COVID" to 500k?? I think you're trolling. Did you interview the doctors and medical for the 12 cases? I was actual data here - not drunk uncle speculation!

Das Unkle wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

You examined all 500k+? Impressive!

I examined all the public figures said to have died from Covid and every single one of them was dying before Covid came.

it was about a dozen.

So if 12 of 12 of the most publicized names of Covid deaths all died with and not from Covid, we can certainly draw the conclusion that the $500k plus said to have died were with not from Covid.

You can't follow this?

Uncle: those 500k died of respiratory failure, not COVID! You're funny.

Das Unkle wrote:

These guys cannot name one person most of us have heard of who has died from and not with Covid. Not one.

The only one they point to is Letlow (??) who died of a heart attack after being diagnosed with Covid...and of course we have no way of knowing the heart attack was related to the Covid.

Hell, I can name a guy who took the vaccine and died within 2 weeks -- Hank Aaron.

Yet they cling to the fantasy that over 500,000 Americans have died 'from" Covid.

This is not science. This is being taken by the propaganda and the inability/refusal to admit to themselves they were had.

Now do excess deaths! What's your hilariously anecdotal rationalization for those?

We have been told that most of the wealthy are Republicans. You tell us that college educated people are Democrats. Does that mean we should discourage children from attending college since it increases their earning potential?

We've got about four weeks until enough are vaccinated in the US, or have already had Covid, to cover more than 75 percent of the population.

At that point, this is over.

(sorry not answering everything in the previous N pages ...) 2019 US death rate 8.7 per 1000 -- see https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm or maybe 8.8 per 1000 -- see https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate I'll take 8.8 from macrotrends for convenience. 2020 deaths up about 12%, population up around 1.1%. Death rate about 9.8 per 1000. Standard deviation of number of deaths among representative 1000 person sample, about 3. For a person who does not have a specific association with a concentration of medically fragile people, the COVID disease would pass without notice, except for the behavior requirements imposed and the endless blare of the apocalyptic news. Circle of acquaintances is generally less than 1000 people. On larger population scales, there is a significant increase in deaths. Per 10 million people, deaths increased by about 10,000, standard deviation 300, (for the math geeks, because standard deviation grows with the square-root of the number of samples). (By the way, drug OD deaths up around 10% in 2020. That statistic is also hopelessly confounded with unintentional, intentional self-inflicted, intentional other-inflicted, and some other categories all lumped together. Passed without notice, because at the small scale, it was not noticeable. At the national scale, it is significant. Drug OD has many significant less-than-fatal outcomes, as does COVID, as does everything.) COVID was the new strain in 2020, and it may have front-run other "opportunities." A person on the edge of kicking it might get flu or might get COVID. Person is more susceptible to COVID (being new). In that sense, COVID is opportunistic and a lot of deaths in 2020 may have had COVID as a final cause. There are surely also a good number of died with COVID. Death rate was below 8.5 per 1000 (macrotrends link above) 2004 to 2016. So that is 0.3 per 1000 each year of people who, according to the 2019 rate, were in line to die but didn't. And everything 1994 to 2018 is below 2019 levels. Accordingly, there was, and still is, a build-up of medically fragile people. The leading edge of the boomers are entering that stage of life -- over age 70 -- en mass. They have done very well, health-wise. Time takes its toll.

2600 bro wrote:

Now do excess deaths! What's your hilariously anecdotal rationalization for those?

Unsure the point you are trying to make. Yes in circles don't contain many people at risk of death from COVID... there won't be many deaths. Just like those people that didn't live in NYC likely didn't know anyone that died in 9/11. I take issue with "passing with notice." That completely ignores the burden of the patients who get very sick but do not die. The number of hospitalizations far exceeds the number of deaths and put significant strain on healthcare systems in places where the outbreak was uncontrolled. People would notice that because it's newsworthy and a true healthcare system collapse is surefire way to get a rapid increase in deaths from preventable causes. I'll remind you that your analysis is done under the moderately strict COVID mitigation restrictions placed on most US residents at some time or another - it's worthwhile to speculate how "unnoticeable" things would have been with zero restrictions (see: previous point about healthcare system collapse).

Uncle: No doubt! World: excess deaths.

The Unkle wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Uncle: those 500k died of respiratory failure, not COVID!

You're funny.

Now you're just making stuff up.

The point is the vast majority of the 500k died with, not from Covid.

There is no doubt of this.

And that it not a legit way to count deaths.