I have to admit I was doubtful when he originally announed his goal to break 1:05 early this year.
Then I saw this speed tuneup at altitude
* 3 x 1600m at 4:45, 4:42, 4:45
* 3 x 1000m at 2:59, 3:01, 3:02, 3:01
* 4 x 400m at 70-71
Combined with the fact that he's an aerobic monster, I think he can break 1:05.
Discus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9O0iA6S4w&ab_channel=SethJamesDeMoor
Are those times corrected for altitude? 4:45's at altitude are worth 4:36 at sea level (per Daniels' calculator), right?
Whoa....
jamin wrote:
I have to admit I was doubtful when he originally announed his goal to break 1:05 early this year.
He ran 1:07 in the first half of a marathon some 15 months ago. My initial concern was whether he would get the training that got him to that time back then, which was high altitude efforts, coming off of the 2019 Pikes Peak Ascent training. But it looks like he made the effort to get high altitude training in this block, and his fitness over 2020, up to this block, grew, having no significant injuries and with high altitude FKT's, along with the Pikes Peak Marathon win.
One concern now with the upcoming half is heat acclimation. Maybe he should include some sauna run-in-place tune-up efforts, lol.
holpin wrote:
jamin wrote:
I have to admit I was doubtful when he originally announed his goal to break 1:05 early this year.
One concern now with the upcoming half is heat acclimation. Maybe he should include some sauna run-in-place tune-up efforts, lol.
A second concern is whether he will have any other 1:04.xx folks to run with at the upcoming Naples, FL Half?
holpin wrote:
One concern now with the upcoming half is heat acclimation. Maybe he should include some sauna run-in-place tune-up efforts, lol.
Current forecast for the 7am start on Jan 17 is not bad:
Temp: 51degF
Feels like: 48degF
Dew Point: 46degF
Humidity: 82%
Wind: 6mph from NE
https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/fl/naples"Not bad" ?! That forecast, if it was to hold up, would be by far the best one could expect. I imagine it will be a good 8 degrees warmer at the start with a dew point significantly higher than the one predicted. Seth seems pretty chill about the possibility of significantly warmer conditions than he's used to which is a good sign, but if I were him, for sure I'd be including some acclimation runs in this week & next.
Besides a possible lack of competition, he tends to go out too fast. Not just in his half PR, but all of his long threshold runs.
I do admit that he probably is in the best shape of his life. I'll say 1:05:20 at Naples if he's not the leader and doesn't completely blow up running with the leaders.
This workout indicates sub-1:05?
Okay, then.
So corrected for shoe doping time 1:05 is really 1:09?
When will Jamin run a half-'thon?
why would anyone care what you think of him. You're not a track expert or elite runner . You have nothing to do with this sport.
Will Seth have someone to film his run? Has Seth ever run in Florida in the wintertime? Is the Snowbird population in Florida down this year because of Covid? Will Seth's red blood levels be off the charts? Can Jamin take some time off to travel to the race to be our boots on the ground?
I say 1:04:38. Guy has been running 130 mile weeks at altitude. Hopefully he won’t go out fast. One of his goals is to come in 3 d male at New York.
Genuinely confused why this would be impressive? 130mpw at altitude as a full time YouTube pro runner and not even better than Kenyan women? Wouldn’t even be top 10 among US ultra runners in a HM (counted in my head, mayyyybe 10th?). Lost respect for that dude when he ran in a USA jersey at World Mtns with a Go Pro during his race. Put the camera away and get faster man
It's impressive only because he's a moderately talented guy. He wasn't blessed with great speed or gifts, but he was a Top 10 guy at the Univ of Colorado, so he can hang.
He doesn't train the most intelligently, as he doesn't do enough lactate flushing work to get super fast, but he's super fit. He needs to understand he needs 20+ workouts like the one he just did to even be as fast as America's top women over the marathon, etc., but he somehow believes just 1-2 workouts are enough.
I love what he's doing. I think he'll go 1:05-low at Naples.
ERS wrote:
Genuinely confused why this would be impressive? 130mpw at altitude as a full time YouTube pro runner and not even better than Kenyan women? Wouldn’t even be top 10 among US ultra runners in a HM (counted in my head, mayyyybe 10th?). Lost respect for that dude when he ran in a USA jersey at World Mtns with a Go Pro during his race. Put the camera away and get faster man
Who said it would be "impressive"? Your words not anyone elses. Dayum guys, no more prediction threads unless the men or women are running up to ERS's standards.
I'll go with 1:03:50. I live and train in Boulder, his workouts at this altitude are no joke.
... concern is whether he will have any other 1:04.xx folks to run with at the upcoming Naples, FL Half?
Should have someone to run with and push him.
Two under 1:04 in 2019
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
This workout indicates sub-1:05?
Okay, then.
The workout itself doesn't. The workout being at altitude and by a guy who ran 1:07 at altitude by himself recently (bundled up in clothes and running on icy urban trails) might.
Standard Setter wrote:
He doesn't train the most intelligently, as he doesn't do enough lactate flushing work to get super fast, but he's super fit.
"lactate flushing work"? Do you know what you are talking about?
Standard Setter wrote:He needs to understand he needs 20+ workouts like the one he just did to even be as fast as America's top women over the marathon, etc., but he somehow believes just 1-2 workouts are enough.
That's dumb. If he is faster than America's top women over the half, then he's going to be faster than them over the full. He hasn't even run that many full marathons. His marathon PB in Amsterdam was poorly paced, where he went out way over his head (but props nonetheless).